TOC font won't cooperate

[christophercbrewster via OfficeKB.com]

I did a search, and many people have trouble controlling the TOC font. None
of the discussions applied to my situation, that I could see. I have every
TOC style defined as Arial. There's no direct formatting. But whatever I do,
the TOC is back in Times Roman whenever I regenerate. Times Roman rises from
the dead no matter how many times I kill it, so I need to drive a stake
through its heart. (Sorry, Word "features" do this to me.) I've tried both
checking and unchecking "Automatically update", in case that was related, but
it had no effect. Can someone suggest where the Times Roman spec is coming
from?

 

[Terry Farrell]

Presumably you have Word 2003? TNR is the built in default font that Word
uses when it doesn't know which font it should be using. To stop this
happening, my workaround is to create a base style for a new template making
sure it is based on No Style. Then most other styles in the template are
then based on the template base style. Make sure that TOC1 style is based on
the Base Style but TOCs 2, 3, 4, etc are based on TOC1 style. Make sure that
the styles are all saved with the correct template though.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Have you checked to see whether the style itself is changing when this
happens? If it is, check Tools | Templates and Add-ins to make sure the
"Automatically update document styles" isn't checked.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

 

[christophercbrewster via OfficeKB.com]

Thanks for these tips, which I'll try. Just a comment: Word has no reason -
not- to know which font to use, since each TOC style specifies the font.
Anyway, I have a question about your suggestion: you mention a new template,
but I've been working on this template for a while. Is there a way to get the
result you describe with an existing template?

Presumably you have Word 2003? TNR is the built in default font that Word
uses when it doesn't know which font it should be using. To stop this
happening, my workaround is to create a base style for a new template making
sure it is based on No Style. Then most other styles in the template are
then based on the template base style. Make sure that TOC1 style is based on
the Base Style but TOCs 2, 3, 4, etc are based on TOC1 style. Make sure that
the styles are all saved with the correct template though.

I did a search, and many people have trouble controlling the TOC font.
None

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it had no effect. Can someone suggest where the Times Roman spec is coming
from?

 

[Terry Farrell]

If you limit the Style Task Pane to display ONLY those styles that are in
use in the template, you can then create your new template base style ands
edit the others to be based on that style. So you don't have to change every
style in Word, just those in use in that template.

Terry

Thanks for these tips, which I'll try. Just a comment: Word has no
reason -
not- to know which font to use, since each TOC style specifies the font.
Anyway, I have a question about your suggestion: you mention a new
template,
but I've been working on this template for a while. Is there a way to get
the
result you describe with an existing template?

Presumably you have Word 2003? TNR is the built in default font that Word
uses when it doesn't know which font it should be using. To stop this
happening, my workaround is to create a base style for a new template
making
sure it is based on No Style. Then most other styles in the template are
then based on the template base style. Make sure that TOC1 style is based
on
the Base Style but TOCs 2, 3, 4, etc are based on TOC1 style. Make sure
that
the styles are all saved with the correct template though.

I did a search, and many people have trouble controlling the TOC font.
None

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it had no effect. Can someone suggest where the Times Roman spec is
coming
from?

 

[christophercbrewster via OfficeKB.com]

Another question about the base style. Do I create a new style called Base
Style, or is it a built-in thing that I access? To make the other styles
inherit from this base, do I make it the top of a hierarchy, so that all the
styles ultimately derive from it? I can't find any documentation about the
concept. (Yet another MICROSOFT MYSTERY!)

If you limit the Style Task Pane to display ONLY those styles that are in
use in the template, you can then create your new template base style ands
edit the others to be based on that style. So you don't have to change every
style in Word, just those in use in that template.

Terry

Thanks for these tips, which I'll try. Just a comment: Word has no
reason -

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[christophercbrewster via OfficeKB.com]

I have a further question about the base style concept. My template has
"Normal", and the other styles are almost based on that. Is that all you mean
by a base style? Why do my TOC styles not override the font in Normal? I
tried basing the TOC styles on no style, didn't help. I made a new style
called TOC base, and based them on that, didn't help. Or is the base style
something deeper than the way Normal is used?

Another question about the base style. Do I create a new style called Base
Style, or is it a built-in thing that I access? To make the other styles
inherit from this base, do I make it the top of a hierarchy, so that all the
styles ultimately derive from it? I can't find any documentation about the
concept. (Yet another MICROSOFT MYSTERY!)

If you limit the Style Task Pane to display ONLY those styles that are in
use in the template, you can then create your new template base style ands

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[Terry Farrell]

You create a base style the same as any other style and make sure to base it
on No Style. If you don't know how to create a style, then read Style in
Microsoft Word here...

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/

Terry

I have a further question about the base style concept. My template has
"Normal", and the other styles are almost based on that. Is that all you
mean
by a base style? Why do my TOC styles not override the font in Normal? I
tried basing the TOC styles on no style, didn't help. I made a new style
called TOC base, and based them on that, didn't help. Or is the base style
something deeper than the way Normal is used?

Another question about the base style. Do I create a new style called Base
Style, or is it a built-in thing that I access? To make the other styles
inherit from this base, do I make it the top of a hierarchy, so that all
the
styles ultimately derive from it? I can't find any documentation about the
concept. (Yet another MICROSOFT MYSTERY!)

If you limit the Style Task Pane to display ONLY those styles that are in
use in the template, you can then create your new template base style
ands

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coming
from?

 

[christophercbrewster via OfficeKB.com]

OMG, I found the problem: it's because the Hyperlink style was being applied
to my TOC. This is where the Times Roman spec was. Each entry had both a TOC
style and Hyperlink, and it didn't occur to me that Hyperlink was imposing
its own font. (Further mystery: why didn't Hyperlink change the font SIZE? It
only overrode the Ariel spec.) Thanks for your suggestions.

You create a base style the same as any other style and make sure to base it
on No Style. If you don't know how to create a style, then read Style in
Microsoft Word here...

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/

Terry

I have a further question about the base style concept. My template has
"Normal", and the other styles are almost based on that. Is that all you

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Christopher Brewster
Lockheed Martin, Eagan MN

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[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

The Hyperlink style is by default defined as Default Paragraph Font +
Underline, Font Color: Blue. At some point, TNR must have been added to the
style definition. What makes this very hard to troubleshoot is that the
Hyperlink formatting is suppressed in TOC and REF fields even when they are
hyperlinked. This is pretty obvious when you click in a TOC entry, however,
since Hyperlink is displayed in the Style box (making it that much harder to
actually get to and modify the underlying TOC 1, TOC 2, etc., style).

If you had created a TOC that did not include the \h switch (that is, the
entries would not be hyperlinked, though the page numbers still would be),
you would not have been seeing these issues!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

OMG, I found the problem: it's because the Hyperlink style was being
applied
to my TOC. This is where the Times Roman spec was. Each entry had both a
TOC
style and Hyperlink, and it didn't occur to me that Hyperlink was imposing
its own font. (Further mystery: why didn't Hyperlink change the font SIZE?
It
only overrode the Ariel spec.) Thanks for your suggestions.

You create a base style the same as any other style and make sure to base
it
on No Style. If you don't know how to create a style, then read Style in
Microsoft Word here...

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/

Terry

I have a further question about the base style concept. My template has
"Normal", and the other styles are almost based on that. Is that all you

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coming
from?

--
Christopher Brewster
Lockheed Martin, Eagan MN

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