Using Risk+ with MSP 2007

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Tom Mc

We use Risk+ as a risk simulation tool. We have discovered that it works
approximately 20 times SLOWER in MSP 2007 than MSP 2003. Has anyone else run
into this problem. If so, is there a remedy?
 
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Jim Aksel

We use Risk+ quite frequently in P2003, P2007 and P2010. There is no
appreciable difference in performance between the patforms.

Might you have files accessed externally from a shared server? We did find
network latency to be a problem on Master Projects stored out on the servers.
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Tom Mc

I have tried on several instances with seveal machines and several files a
consistent and significant performance problem with P2007. For example, I
have a small file with only 153 tasks and it takes 20 minutes to run 1000
samples. I have found that other people have had similar performance
problems with P2007.

I run the simulation on a file stored on my desktop (local), so network
latency is not an issue.

Any other thoughts? Thanks - Tom
 
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AnthemAZ

Tom Mc

Check your file(s) for any custom fields with a formula. Remove them and
you should see an improvement in perf.

This will slow R+ significantly when running simulations.

AnthemAz
 
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Tom Mc

Thanks for a good suggestion. However, it didn't seem to make a difference
when I disabled all the custom field formulas. It still took about 20
minutes for 1000 samples of a small file (only 153 tasks).
 
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AnthemAZ

Tom Mc

Can you share your file? I'd like to look deeper for you as I've used R+
for many years and there are some tests I can run to isolate the performance.

I'm using MSP 03. If available, sent to (e-mail address removed)
 
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Tom Mc

I tried a test as follows:
I created a brand new file from scratch. Added 200 tasks - each of 20 days
duration. Linked them all as one long sequence. Added basic risk loading -
i.e., "initialized most likely", then "quick setup". I set the calc method
to "manual". Thus, I now have a very small and simplistic file (no formulas,
no custom fields, no baselines, etc., etc.). It STILL took 20 minutes for
1000 samples.

BTW... I spoke to Risk+ tech spt. They were unable to give me any
worthwhile advice - except to "talk to Microsoft". I really don't want to
pay money to get an answer.

Thoughts?
 
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Jon M. Kelley

We had been warned by our in house testers that Ms Project 2007 and Risk+
didn't appear to be completely compatible (extended run times, random errors,
program hanging forever). When our corporation moved to office 2007, a small
group of schedulers and engineers kept Ms Project 2003 instead of moving to
2007. On a monthly basis, we run Risk+ simulations on relatively large
schedules (7,000 to 10,000 tasks), with 2,000 to 4,000 iterations. These
runs take 2 to 8 hours on a multiprocessor HP engineering workstation, and
are consistent enough that the time variations between runs of a given
schedule is less than five percent, depending primarily on what else is
running during the Risk+ simulation. Our simulation runs are primarily done
to generate S-Curves & completion confidence intervals for particular tasks.
Things that we’ve found that cause a large jump in run time is to include
“Duration Analysisâ€, Cost Analysisâ€, “Critical Path Analysisâ€, and
“Sensitivity Analysisâ€.

My own history with Risk+ started before Deltek acquired the product from CS
Solutions. I tried working with the CS Solutions programming team assigned
to support Risk+. What I was eventually told by the team lead was that when
CS Solutions acquired the product from ProjectGear Inc, they got the source
code, with little knowledge of how or why it worked, and as long as the
product sold, weren’t willing to even work on known bugs. When Deltek
acquired the product, we still had maintenance contracts, and tried again to
work with the Deltek developers, with the same result – about the only change
they were willing to make was to replace “CS Solutions†name in the product
with “Deltek Systemsâ€.

The current drive at our corporate level is to move to Oracle Primavera, but
with our customers are still requesting Ms Project 2003 schedules with Risk+
analysis, we have to convince our customers that Oracle will provide better
long term support than Deltek has provided.
 
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Tom Mc

Thanks Jon. You are essentially confirming what was becoming evident with
Deltek - that there is no product development nor fixes for current issues,
particularly with MSP 2007. I ask a Risk+ tech support person about any
plans for collaborating with Microsoft and fixing the MSP 2007 compatibility
issue and he said "no". Our only near term solution appears to be to keep a
copy of MSP 2003 going.
 

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