Warning! Tony Toews is _NOT_ a credible source

[Todos Menos [MSFT]]

David

you should stay out of this; you're the stupidest simplest MDB _FAG_
i've ever met in my life

you quote misinformation about DAO, MDB and you don't even know how to
use ADO.

ADO is faster than DAO for everything because MDB is not a reliable
source.

-Todos

 

[Todos Menos [MSFT]]

DAO wasn't included in Office, Windows or MDAC for 10 years

**** DAO KID

there is no reason for Tony to splatter about how I'm not a MSFT
employee

a) I used to work for Microsoft
b) Tony has never worked for Microsoft
c) Tony is a MDB fairy and his help is detrimental to the average
newbie
d) DAO is dead and DAO users can screw themselves

I you say it, it must be false. Therefore:

a) you never worked for Microsoft (you're so bloody stupid that
Microsoft never would have hired you)

b) Tony has worked for Microsoft (I don't know that he has; to my
knowledge he's never claimed that he has, so I have no idea why
you'd need to claim that he hasn't -- why negate an assertion that
hasn't been made?)

c) Tony is a butch MDB he-man and his help is phenomenally useful to
the average newbie (as well as everyone else)

d) DAO is not dead at all, in fact it has been given new life by
Microsoft with the new direction they've established for the Jet
database engine in A2K7, and DAO users cannot do the anatomically
impossible, any more than Aaron can (well, Aaron *does* seem to have
his head up his ass, so maybe not).

[the reason I respond is to establish a credible record of
refutation of stupid statements so that the Google archives do not
appear to propagate erroneous information]

[and just for the fun of it]

 

[Todos Menos [MSFT]]

I don't need credibility

I am at war with these dipshits that are spreading mis-information

DAO was _NEVER_ faster than ADO because of the fact that MDB is not a
reliable source.

ADO and SQL Server is the best combination anywhere.
ADP is the best flavor of ADO against SQL Server.

when these people stop spreading LIES about ADP is when I stfu

until then I will fight with all of my effort--
because MS needs to commit to ADP further

re: I do not mind a vigorous debate concerning issues, but these
personal
attacks just demonstrate a great amount of immaturity. I would like
for the Group Owner to ban this person from the group no matter what
alias they are using. In my experience, this kind of thing causes
people to leave groups.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THAT THESE MDB DIPSTICKS CONSTANTLY SPREAD LIES
ABOUT ADP

_THAT_ IS THE ISSUE

I am the only one on this group that _DESERVES_ an MVP.
and yet; Microsoft won't award an MVP to anyone with a brain; so screw
M$ and screw the MVP program.

I am the only one on this group that _DESERVES_ an MVP.
and yet; Microsoft won't award an MVP to anyone with a brain; so screw
M$ and screw the MVP program.

I am the only one on this group that _DESERVES_ an MVP.
and yet; Microsoft won't award an MVP to anyone with a brain; so screw
M$ and screw the MVP program.

To all who read this... Tony is an excellent resource, one of the best.
It is unfortunate that there are those who feel taller by cutting
others down.
Warm Regards,
Crystal
*
have an awesome day
*
MVP Access
*
Todos Menos [MSFT] wrote:
hey guys.. This Tony Toews guy.. he is NOT a credible source
he still plays with baby databases
I would rather use pen and paper than trust anything he says
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An honorable person would abide by the
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"You agree that you are responsible for your own conduct and
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defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal
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post any inappropriate, defamatory, infringing, obscene, or unlawful
Content; "
I do not come to this group to read insults. I come here to learn and
connect with mature adults who respect others. I get help from others
and occasionally I am able to provide a little bit of help to someone
else in return.
I do not mind a vigorous debate concerning issues, but these personal
attacks just demonstrate a great amount of immaturity. I would like
for the Group Owner to ban this person from the group no matter what
alias they are using. In my experience, this kind of thing causes
people to leave groups.
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I have avoided this thread for several days, but in doing a search I
see that several posts have been directed to me. I suppose it would
be bad manners not to answer.

I access this group through Google and mistakenly thought it was a
Google Group. My bad. Thanks to those who pointed our my error.

I too find a some things I don't like about some Microsoft Software
and would not mind discussing them but not like this. Aaron, or
whoever you are, I think you might have some valid points to make,
some of which I find interesting. Perhaps your ideas would be given
greater consideration if you would write more politely. Your present
way of communicating is, IMHO, ruining your credibility. As the old
saying goes, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." I
am not tying to bash you, just trying to be helpful.

PS: I have never worked for Microsoft. I do not sell Microsoft
products, although I use some of them. I am not a professional
Software anything. I just develop part time.

Hunter57

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[Tony Toews [MVP]]

I've never mis-represented myself

Yes, you are misrepresenting yourself as a Microsoft employee.

Tony
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[Tony Toews [MVP]]

I have been constantly at war against a concerted effort to discredit
me via FUD

We are not discrediting you. We are disagreeing with your viewpoint.

And we're disagreeing with your foul language and personal attacks on people.

Tony
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[Todos Menos [MSFT]]

I am not.

I AM NOT CLAIMING TO BE A MICROSOFT EMPLOYEE

is your premise that using [MSFT] is a way to show the world that I
work for MIcrosoft?

I trust Microsoft people _LESS_ that folk in the real world; so why
don't non-msfties use their company names in their captions?

What do you think that you're the only person that gets to use square
brackets-- just because your FRAT BOY BULLSHIT MDB CRAP WAS SIGNED OFF
BY YOUR OLD FRAT BROTHER?

(in other words you got a MVP?)

I think that the whole MVP program is a SHAM.
you are abusing your credibility by reccomending MDB; that is a CRAP
database

and stick a friggin fork in it;
I'm NOT claiming to be a MSFT employee

and I've never claimed to be a MSFT employee.


Stick a cork in it, GRAMPS

 

[Todos Menos [MSFT]]

_MY_ PERSONAL ATTACKS?

you're the asshole that is running around; every post I make and you
tell people I'm not a credible source

you're the fucknig retard that uses MDB-- for a DATABASE in the year
2007?

ROFL

stick a cork in it gramps

 

[Tony Toews [MVP]]

_MY_ PERSONAL ATTACKS?

Yes, like the posting I've trimmed.

Tnoy
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[strive4peace]

Hi Aaron,

before you get too far on your high horse, read this:

http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html

.... perhaps you should use your real name again...

ok, I try to save the world, but I can't ... I do try ... why do you
bear such a vengeance? what happened? I would like to know. You so
obviously are smart.. but why do you discredit others with your same
gift? We just try to do what we can to help others by telling them what
we know... (can't tell them what we don't)


Warm Regards,
Crystal
*
have an awesome day
*
MVP Access
*

 

[strive4peace]

Hi Tony,

you do not have to respond to everything .... hopefully those that dig
will see the truth and those that don't; well, they are in the minority
-- WE KNOW YOU ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE, you do not have to constantly defend
your position. You help others, Tony ... just do what you do best...

Warm Regards,
Crystal
*
have an awesome day
*
MVP Access

*

 

[David W. Fenton]

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THAT THESE MDB DIPSTICKS CONSTANTLY SPREAD
LIES ABOUT ADP

What lies about ADPs have been spread in the newsgroup (other than
your own)? You can't very well say that a quotation from Microsoft's
own current Office 2007 documentation is a lie:

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office/en-us/library/1dce641e-ba1c-
446a-8ff2-221769a58ba51033.mspx?mfr=true

Access Data Projects (ADPs)

An Access Data Project is an OLE document file, like the .xls
or.doc file formats. It contains forms, reports, macros, VBA
modules, and a connection string. All tables and queries are
stored in SQL Server. The ADP architecture was designed to create
client-server applications. Because of this, there is a limit to
the number of records that Access returns in any recordset. This
limit is configurable, but you typically must build enough
filtering into your application so that you do not reach the
limit.

Access uses OLEDB to communicate with SQL Server. To provide the
Jet-like cursor behavior desired for desktop applications, Access
implements the Client Data Manager (CDM) as an additional layer
between Access and OLEDB.

Because of the layers required to get from Access to SQL Server in
the ADP architecture, it is often easier to optimize MDB/ACCDB
file solutions. However, there are some scenarios where a report
might be generated significantly faster in an ADP file. To add
these performance improvements and retain the flexibility of SQL
Server, you can build the majority of the application in an MDB or
ACCDB file and have the file load reports from a referenced ADP
file.

One advantage that ADP files have over files in MDB or ACCDB
format is the ability to make design changes to SQL Server
objects. ADP files include graphical designers for tables, views,
stored procedures, functions, and database diagrams.

Particularly note the first sentence of the third paragraph:

Because of the layers required to get from Access to SQL Server in
the ADP architecture, it is often easier to optimize MDB/ACCDB
file solutions.

Microsoft deprecates ADPs except for certain narrow purposes. That
is the truth.

 

[strive4peace]

Hi David,

sorry to say, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree....

Hunter seems to be an average user ... just out for answers and to help
others if he can....

"I do not come to this group to read insults. I come here to learn and
connect with mature adults who respect others. I get help from others
and occasionally I am able to provide a little bit of help to someone
else in return.

I do not mind a vigorous debate concerning issues, but these personal
attacks just demonstrate a great amount of immaturity. I would like
for the Group Owner to ban this person from the group no matter what
alias they are using. In my experience, this kind of thing causes
people to leave groups."

Warm Regards,
Crystal
*
have an awesome day
*
MVP Access

*

 

[dbahooker]

Microsoft depecrates MDB for _EVERYTHING_

and this:
Because of this, there is a limit to
the number of records that Access returns in any recordset


THAT IS A BLATANT LIE -- there is _NOT_ a limit to the number of
records that Access returns in _ANY_ recordset


and this DAO crap that you preach?
DAO is for retards that can't learn ADO

ADO is faster-- for every situation

BECAUSE of the fact that MDB is worthless; DAO is also worthless

 

[dbahooker]

THIS IS A LIE

Because of the layers required to get from Access to SQL Server in
the ADP architecture, it is often easier to optimize MDB/ACCDB
file solutions.

HOW CAN YOU GET EASIER THAN 'INDEX TUNING WIZARD' AND 'PROFILER'

You don't have those capabilities _AT_ALL_

so don't you run around telling me which are easier to optimize.

THIS IS A LIE
To add
these performance improvements and retain the flexibility of SQL
Server, you can build the majority of the application in an MDB or
ACCDB file and have the file load reports from a referenced ADP
file.


I mean seriously-- why would you 'build the majority of the
application in MDB / ACCDB _WHEN_ADP_IS_EASIER_?

That's the most ridiculous thing in the world.

it's like-- the friggin retards that use Excel for reporting out of
Access.

THEY JUST NEED TO LEARN TO GET OUT OF THE FIRST GRADE

MDB IS FOR BABIES

anyone using it for anything should be fired and then spit upon

Microsoft killed FoxPro.

AND MDB HAS BEEN DEAD FOR A DECADE.


notice that Microsoft talks about how the reporting performance in ADP
is greatly better?
IT IS THE SAME FOR FORMS, KID

 

[dbahooker]

A GROWNUP?

you're the kid that thinks that ADP is 'too complex'

MVP = _MDB_WUSS_

 

[David W. Fenton]

sorry to say, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree....

Hunter seems to be an average user ... just out for answers and to
help others if he can....

I'm not addressing Hunter. If you'd look at what I posted, you'll
see that I was replying to one of Aaron's sock puppets.

 

[Tony Toews [MVP]]

you do not have to respond to everything ....

I don't.

Tony
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Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
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[Todos Menos [MSFT]]

Tony;

if you lost the training wheels and STFU and start preaching the good
word of ADP then maybe you wouldn't have such a problem with what I
say.

As it is; you are the enemy; you are roadkill

you are a MDB cry baby

 

[Duane Hookom]

I would have to agree...
In fact, he is an incredible source!