widescreen monitors

M

mcg

How do I set up my FP2000 built site to show up the same on all monitors?
When viewed on a wide monitor all of my settings are off. It is configured
for a 800x600 view.
 
R

Ronx

Monitor size, shape and screen resolution have nothing to do with how a
page appears in a browser - the size of the browser window is the
important bit (screen resolution will set the maximum size).

One method to fix the layout is to place your page content in a fixed
width table - the table should be 760px wide for 800px width browser
portal. Also do not use any absolute positioning, absolutely positioned
items will always stay in the same place on the page, while the page
moves around it. If you have positioned items in the page post a link
- there ways around this.
 
R

Ronx

First, make a copy of the page. When making major changes it is wise to
have a backup.

Open the page.
Use Insert->Table to create a single row, single column table at the top
of the page.
Set the table to have a width of 760px, no visible borders, cellspacing
and cellpadding both 0.
In code view the code will resemble:
<body>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="760">
<tr>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
</table>

Now select all the content in the page below the table. Cut and Paste
into the table cell.
Save the page.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
 
P

P@tty Ayers

Good information from Ronx. Just a thought: in my site statistics, about 95%
of visitors are using monitor resolutions of 1024 x 768 pixels or larger,
with 1024 x 768 being only about 30%. People have big, high-resolution
monitors these days. Of course, many users set their browser window to
smaller than full-screen, but even considering that, I personally consider
the size which is convenient for the great majority to now be about 970 px.
This is just one of those things that has gradually reached a point of
change, in my opinion.
 
T

Tom [Pepper] Willett

I guess it depends on where you get the statistics. They vary from place to
place ;-)

Such as:
http://www.echoecho.com/
--
===
Tom [Pepper] Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
"You're a daisy if you do!"
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
: Good information from Ronx. Just a thought: in my site statistics, about
95%
: of visitors are using monitor resolutions of 1024 x 768 pixels or larger,
: with 1024 x 768 being only about 30%. People have big, high-resolution
: monitors these days. Of course, many users set their browser window to
: smaller than full-screen, but even considering that, I personally consider
: the size which is convenient for the great majority to now be about 970
px.
: This is just one of those things that has gradually reached a point of
: change, in my opinion.
:
:
: --
: Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
: Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
: Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
: --
:
:
:
: : > First, make a copy of the page. When making major changes it is wise to
: > have a backup.
: >
: > Open the page.
: > Use Insert->Table to create a single row, single column table at the top
: > of the page.
: > Set the table to have a width of 760px, no visible borders, cellspacing
: > and cellpadding both 0.
: > In code view the code will resemble:
: > <body>
: > <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="760">
: > <tr>
: > <td>&nbsp;</td>
: > </tr>
: > </table>
: >
: > Now select all the content in the page below the table. Cut and Paste
: > into the table cell.
: > Save the page.
: > --
: > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
: > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
: >
: > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > : >
: >> Thank you so much for the information! Now how do I do that???
: >>
: >> "Ronx" wrote:
: >>
: >> > Monitor size, shape and screen resolution have nothing to do with how
a
: >> > page appears in a browser - the size of the browser window is the
: >> > important bit (screen resolution will set the maximum size).
: >> >
: >> > One method to fix the layout is to place your page content in a fixed
: >> > width table - the table should be 760px wide for 800px width browser
: >> > portal. Also do not use any absolute positioning, absolutely
: >> > positioned
: >> > items will always stay in the same place on the page, while the page
: >> > moves around it. If you have positioned items in the page post a
link
: >> > - there ways around this.
: >> > --
: >> > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
: >> > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
: >> >
: >> > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
: >> >
: >> >
: >> >
: >> >
: >> > : >> >
: >> > > How do I set up my FP2000 built site to show up the same on all
: >> > > monitors?
: >> > > When viewed on a wide monitor all of my settings are off. It is
: >> > > configured
: >> > > for a 800x600 view.
: >> >
: >> >
: >
:
:
 
P

P@tty Ayers

Of course, but I think no matter where you look you'll see similar overall
statistics. Eight years ago we considered it a necessity to be sure that
people on 640 x 480 px resolution monitors could see our pages without
scrolling horizontally, and of course nobody worried about that anymore. The
same process has made it unnecessary to go out of our way to be sure that
people with monitor res (or browser window size) 800 x 600 px aren't the
slightest bit inconvenienced. There aren't many of them, and it won't kill
those few to scroll. At least, I would rather focus on the 95% of my users
for whom a narrow little design looks funny, than focus on the 5%.

Of course this is my opinion, and everybody has to decide for himself. I'm
influenced somewhat by numerous major, well-designed web sites who made this
change about a year ago.

--
Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
--



Tom [Pepper] Willett said:
I guess it depends on where you get the statistics. They vary from place
to
place ;-)

Such as:
http://www.echoecho.com/
--
===
Tom [Pepper] Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
"You're a daisy if you do!"
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
: Good information from Ronx. Just a thought: in my site statistics, about
95%
: of visitors are using monitor resolutions of 1024 x 768 pixels or
larger,
: with 1024 x 768 being only about 30%. People have big, high-resolution
: monitors these days. Of course, many users set their browser window to
: smaller than full-screen, but even considering that, I personally
consider
: the size which is convenient for the great majority to now be about 970
px.
: This is just one of those things that has gradually reached a point of
: change, in my opinion.
:
:
: --
: Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
: Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
: Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
: --
:
:
:
: : > First, make a copy of the page. When making major changes it is wise
to
: > have a backup.
: >
: > Open the page.
: > Use Insert->Table to create a single row, single column table at the
top
: > of the page.
: > Set the table to have a width of 760px, no visible borders,
cellspacing
: > and cellpadding both 0.
: > In code view the code will resemble:
: > <body>
: > <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="760">
: > <tr>
: > <td>&nbsp;</td>
: > </tr>
: > </table>
: >
: > Now select all the content in the page below the table. Cut and Paste
: > into the table cell.
: > Save the page.
: > --
: > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
: > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
: >
: > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > : >
: >> Thank you so much for the information! Now how do I do that???
: >>
: >> "Ronx" wrote:
: >>
: >> > Monitor size, shape and screen resolution have nothing to do with
how
a
: >> > page appears in a browser - the size of the browser window is the
: >> > important bit (screen resolution will set the maximum size).
: >> >
: >> > One method to fix the layout is to place your page content in a
fixed
: >> > width table - the table should be 760px wide for 800px width
browser
: >> > portal. Also do not use any absolute positioning, absolutely
: >> > positioned
: >> > items will always stay in the same place on the page, while the
page
: >> > moves around it. If you have positioned items in the page post a
link
: >> > - there ways around this.
: >> > --
: >> > Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
: >> > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
: >> >
: >> > http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
: >> >
: >> >
: >> >
: >> >
: >> > : >> >
: >> > > How do I set up my FP2000 built site to show up the same on all
: >> > > monitors?
: >> > > When viewed on a wide monitor all of my settings are off. It is
: >> > > configured
: >> > > for a 800x600 view.
: >> >
: >> >
: >
:
:
Click to expand...
 
J

jpcummins

Can this method be used with a site that has frames? My site was designed
with "banner", "contents" and "body" frames (index page). Additionally,
would I have to use this method with every additional page? If I do this,
and do it correctly, should the site pages then fill the browser window on
all monitors regardless of monitor size or resolution. You will have to
overlook my lack of FrontPage expertise. Thanking you in advance.
 
P

P@tty Ayers

Using this method with an existing frames site might be possible, but would
probably be a huge pain. It's very doubtful that you need to use frames, and
they really make *your* work much more difficult than doing non-frame pages.
It would be much better to take the content out of the frames and put it
into non-frame, table-based pages.

If you do what "Ronx" recommended, yes, you would need to do that to every
page.

No, a fixed-width design will not expand to fill the browser window. That
requires a completely different technique. The technique "Ronx" described, a
fixed-width design, is simpler and you'll probably have more likelihood of
success with it without a lot more pain and agony.
 
J

jpcummins

I agree regarding doing away with the frames; most pages I see today do not
use them. Consequently I intend to in the future redesign my site
accordingly. I am a bit confused though. I thought that by not using frames
and using "Ronx" technique that the resulting page and any subsequent called
pages would fill a visitor's monitor window regardless of the size or
resolution. Unless I read your reply incorrectly you advise this technique
would not give me the results I want. You refer to a completely different
technique to achieve those results. If so how do I design a page and
subsequent called pages that will display the same in every visitor's monitor
window regardless of size and resolution. Thanking you in advance for your
reply.

John
 
R

Ronx

To " design a page and subsequent called pages that will display the
same in every visitor's monitor window regardless of size and
resolution" use the method I outlined earlier. Pages built like this
will do exactly what you want - display the same in every visitor's
monitor window regardless of size and resolution.

If you want the page to fill the browser portal, then you have to forgo
the "display the same" part. To fill a portal the page has to spread
out. That means lines of text become longer - sometimes so long the
text becomes difficult to read. And if the text takes up less lines,
then any images will move around as well. In other words, the layout
will change. For this type of display instead of using a fixed width
table (exact number of pixels wide) use a % width table - 100% width
will always fill the browser. But the page layout will be different on
every PC.

It's your choice - a layout that is fixed in every browser, or a layout
that fills every browser. I prefer the fixed layout.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
 
P

P@tty Ayers

Ronx said:
To " design a page and subsequent called pages that will display the same
in every visitor's monitor window regardless of size and resolution" use
the method I outlined earlier. Pages built like this will do exactly
what you want - display the same in every visitor's monitor window
regardless of size and resolution.

If you want the page to fill the browser portal, then you have to forgo
the "display the same" part. To fill a portal the page has to spread out.
That means lines of text become longer - sometimes so long the text
becomes difficult to read. And if the text takes up less lines, then any
images will move around as well. In other words, the layout will change.
For this type of display instead of using a fixed width table (exact
number of pixels wide) use a % width table - 100% width will always fill
the browser. But the page layout will be different on every PC.

It's your choice - a layout that is fixed in every browser, or a layout
that fills every browser. I prefer the fixed layout.
Click to expand...


Exactly, what a great concise explanation.
 

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