[Word 2004] Cannot select border on subsequent pages

[Evadne Cake]

I am a neophyte so bear with me. I am running 2004 on a 2.7GHz 3GB PowerMac
under Tiger 10.4.2 (fully updated, as is Office).

I have used one of the native templates for a letterhead (boutique it's
called) and I wish to alter certain design elements, in particular the size
and position on the page (I'm in the UK, so the default paper size is A4).
I'd also quite like to change the colour. Now, here's where I run into
difficulties. I can select the elements of the border on the first page,
however the elements aren't selectable on subsequent pages. For whatever
reason they appear to be "locked" to the background and cannot be altered.
I'd settle for realigning it - it's not even all the way round (and my
printer is capable of full bleed) I have managed to align the first page, but
subsequent pages are a complete mess. It's 1" away from the top,
2\0.5" away from the bottom and 0.5" from one side and 0.75" away from the othe
r. I've fiddled with the page layout options without any success.

So, the question remains: how do I alter the position of design elements on
subsequent pages?

Thanks

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Evadne,

By subsequent pages, I'm assuming you mean the logo-less second page of the
template (as opposed to subsequent documents based on your template). Here
goes:

1. Double-click on the Boutique template to create a document from it.
2. Go to File> Page Setup and change the paper size to A4 or A4 Small, if
that's what you want. This will automatically shrink the border for you on
*both* pages.
3. To change the margins (which you'll need to do if you chose A4 Small),
go to Format> Document and do it there. (For A4 Small, a 1.5" bottom margin
should prevent the text from overflowing the border.)
4. Make all the rest of the changes you want.
5. When you save the document, save it as a Document Template. It will
automatically be saved in the My Templates folder. In order to create
documents based on this template, it must remain in the Templates folder
(although you can move it out of My Templates if you wish).
6. To create a new document from your custom template, open the Project
Gallery, navigate to your template and double-click.

I hope that does it. Yell if you have more questions.

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[Evadne Cake]

Hi Evadne,

By subsequent pages, I'm assuming you mean the logo-less second page of the
template (as opposed to subsequent documents based on your template). Here
goes:

1. Double-click on the Boutique template to create a document from it.
2. Go to File> Page Setup and change the paper size to A4 or A4 Small, if
that's what you want. This will automatically shrink the border for you on
*both* pages.
3. To change the margins (which you'll need to do if you chose A4 Small),
go to Format> Document and do it there. (For A4 Small, a 1.5" bottom margin
should prevent the text from overflowing the border.)
4. Make all the rest of the changes you want.
5. When you save the document, save it as a Document Template. It will
automatically be saved in the My Templates folder. In order to create
documents based on this template, it must remain in the Templates folder
(although you can move it out of My Templates if you wish).
6. To create a new document from your custom template, open the Project
Gallery, navigate to your template and double-click.

I hope that does it. Yell if you have more questions.

Beth,

I have followed your directions to the letter, but it hasn't made one iota of
difference. The layout on pages 2 and 3 has *NOT* altered.

Any more bright ideas... ;o)

Thanks

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Those templates are kinda creepy. It filled in my workplace and name....

I managed to select the second page border by using View | Header/Footer and
then selecting it, as it appears to be anchored somewhere in the header. If
you click ¶ to turn on nonprinting characters you can see the anchor when
the border is selected. The template is kinda elliptical/misleading about
that.

Nice Pratchett ref.

 

[Beth Rosengard]

But you shouldn't have to select the second page border unless you want to
get rid of it (at least according to the text in the template). I don't
know why my instructions didn't work for Evadne; they worked for me.

And, Evadne, what do you mean by the second and third pages?? That template
only has two pages. Are we talking about the same thing?

Beth

 

[Evadne Cake]

But you shouldn't have to select the second page border unless you want to
get rid of it (at least according to the text in the template). I don't
know why my instructions didn't work for Evadne; they worked for me.

And, Evadne, what do you mean by the second and third pages?? That template
only has two pages. Are we talking about the same thing?

Beth

Yes, Beth, but my already typed letter does. Daiya's (unusual name) method
worked though.

Maybe it's me, Beth, I've only had this thing a week - I'm still getting used
to it. 20 years using Windoze is a long time - and this dog is becoming far
too old to learn any new tricks!

Thanks to both of you for your assistance. There is much I like about Mac
Word, when compared to Windoze Word, and much I don't.

I've not even started on Excel and I do miss Access. Used it a lot on my PC.
Seems Mac Office Pro is only Windows Office Standard.

Warmest wishes,

Evadne

P.S. Daiya - I've yet to meet many Americans who understand Pratchett. You're
only the second.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Beth, when I changed the paper size the text realigned but the border didn't
change, so the border was over some of the text and was misaligned on the
paper, and the margin change seemed to throw the borders off even more,
though the text was no longer being covered up.

At which point I decided to ignore the real issue and just concentrate on
selecting.

Daiya

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Thanks to both of you for your assistance. There is much I like about Mac
Word, when compared to Windoze Word, and much I don't.

For me, it's not the programs, but the fact that I am just far happier
staring half the day at a computer running OS X. So the programs are kinda
irrelevant. But the "select borders on second page" problem has exactly the
same answer in WinWord, just by the way.

If you've only had the Mac for a week you are probably still getting used to
it--I went to a workshop with a bunch of Mac users who had had their laptops
all year but only knew a fraction of the built-in features.

See also:
Differences between Mac and WinWord:
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Differences.htm
And Fields in MacWord:
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/fieldsinmacword.htm

I've not even started on Excel and I do miss Access. Used it a lot on my PC.
Seems Mac Office Pro is only Windows Office Standard.

Well, MacOffice Pro comes with Virtual PC *and* Windows XP, a whole nother
operating system. Access isn't made for the Mac at all, nor are FrontPage or
Publisher or Project or Visio. Investigate FileMaker Pro, cross-platform
and a leader in the mid-level database market--people have said *very* nice
things about Panorama as a database app--and there is 4D, which I am not
familiar with but is free for academic use.

P.S. Daiya - I've yet to meet many Americans who understand Pratchett. You're
only the second.

I think there's lots, but a little more diluted into the larger population.

Daiya

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

I think there's lots, but a little more diluted into the larger population.

OK, I give up. Assuming that this relates to "fantasy writer Terry
Pratchett" (just guessing, from a Google search), what is there in Evadne's
first message that's is so distinctive or unique that it could be identified
by Daiya as a "nice Pratchett ref"? The word "neophyte"? Hardly. "so bear
with me"? I've heard that one before. ;-) "I wish to alter certain design
elements"? I really doubt it. "Now, here's where I run into difficulties"?
Barely possible, I guess, but it wouldn't be saying much for the author's
style. Then comes a whole lot of technical Word detail (I'm going to rule
out "capable of full bleed" although that would be nice, and "fiddled with
the page layout options" although that would be nicer.) So we're left with
"So, the question remains: " This is a best-selling writer's trademark
phrase?? Hmmmm.

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[Daiya Mitchell]

OK, I give up. Assuming that this relates to "fantasy writer Terry

Pratchett" (just guessing, from a Google search), what is there in Evadne's
first message that's is so distinctive or unique that it could be identified
by Daiya as a "nice Pratchett ref"? The word "neophyte"? Hardly. "so bear
with me"? I've heard that one before. ;-) "I wish to alter certain design
elements"? I really doubt it. "Now, here's where I run into difficulties"?
Barely possible, I guess, but it wouldn't be saying much for the author's
style. Then comes a whole lot of technical Word detail (I'm going to rule
out "capable of full bleed" although that would be nice, and "fiddled with
the page layout options" although that would be nicer.) So we're left with
"So, the question remains: " This is a best-selling writer's trademark
phrase?? Hmmmm.

Very funny, Paul. Yes, right author.

Evadne Cake is a character. A "medium, verging on small." Though in fact
usually referred to as Mrs Cake, so I had to google to confirm before
replying, though the first name jogged my memory.

And the (e-mail address removed) address suggested this poster was savvy enough
to use a different name, plus Evadne isn't a real common name (is it?).

Daiya

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

Very funny, Paul. Yes, right author.

Evadne Cake is a character. A "medium, verging on small." Though in fact
usually referred to as Mrs Cake, so I had to google to confirm before
replying, though the first name jogged my memory.

And the (e-mail address removed) address suggested this poster was savvy enough
to use a different name, plus Evadne isn't a real common name (is it?).

Ah. The sender's name itself. Yes, very distinctive. I did not have my
lateral thinking cap on,

Well, I would normally be very hesitant of commenting on someone's name, but
now that we know it's a nom de plume, I shall dare to flourish the feather a
bit. Indeed "Evadne" is not very common - it sounds like the name of a
spinster sister of an Anglican cleric in a Trollope novel. Surviving into
the 20th century, it would have to be name of a Bournemouth seaside landlady
down at seed, or some such, like one of those ladies in drag in Monty Python
sketches in conversation with Jean-Paul Sartre. Or maybe something dreamed
up by Barry Humphries (Dame Edna) - but that's the wrong continent here.

Now I've gone and done it. We're sure to hear pained objections from people
with beloved relatives, or mothers, named Evadne. I'd better go hide. But
well done, Daiya.

 

[Sara Kirk]

On 7/29/05 9:59 AM, in article BF0FAE8E.3D0C2%[email protected], [Pratchett]

Evadne Cake is a character. A "medium, verging on small." Though in fact
usually referred to as Mrs Cake, so I had to google to confirm before
replying, though the first name jogged my memory.

And the (e-mail address removed) address suggested this poster was savvy enough
to use a different name, plus Evadne isn't a real common name (is it?).

Ah. The sender's name itself. Yes, very distinctive. I did not have my
lateral thinking cap on,

Well, I would normally be very hesitant of commenting on someone's name, but
now that we know it's a nom de plume, I shall dare to flourish the feather a
bit. Indeed "Evadne" is not very common - it sounds like the name of a
spinster sister of an Anglican cleric in a Trollope novel. Surviving into
the 20th century, it would have to be name of a Bournemouth seaside landlady
down at seed, or some such, like one of those ladies in drag in Monty Python
sketches in conversation with Jean-Paul Sartre. Or maybe something dreamed
up by Barry Humphries (Dame Edna) - but that's the wrong continent here.

Now I've gone and done it. We're sure to hear pained objections from people
with beloved relatives, or mothers, named Evadne. I'd better go hide. But
well done, Daiya.

Evadne Hinge and Hilda Brackett, anyone?

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

Surviving into

Evadne Hinge and Hilda Brackett, anyone?

Exactly! Just the type.

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[Evadne Cake]

For me, it's not the programs, but the fact that I am just far happier
staring half the day at a computer running OS X. So the programs are kinda
irrelevant. But the "select borders on second page" problem has exactly the
same answer in WinWord, just by the way.

Oh, I'm with you all the way, Beth. And I've never used a template like that
in Windoze. I used Publisher or PageMaker for letterhead. I would much rather
be using OSX than Windoze.

If you've only had the Mac for a week you are probably still getting used to
it--I went to a workshop with a bunch of Mac users who had had their laptops
all year but only knew a fraction of the built-in features.

Yep. Bought it with a benefit rebate. I've been meaning to get one for ages
-it was a close friend who finally persuaded me - I fell in love with his G4
running Panther.

See also:
Differences between Mac and WinWord:
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/Differences.htm
And Fields in MacWord:
http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/fieldsinmacword.htm
Thanks.


Well, MacOffice Pro comes with Virtual PC *and* Windows XP, a whole nother
operating system. Access isn't made for the Mac at all, nor are FrontPage or
Publisher or Project or Visio. Investigate FileMaker Pro, cross-platform
and a leader in the mid-level database market--people have said *very* nice
things about Panorama as a database app--and there is 4D, which I am not
familiar with but is free for academic use.

I know. I have VPC and have tried to install it but it didn't really like it
and I must image the disk before installing again. Tiger has so many things
that Windoze can only dream of - I love the dashboard, I love the look, the
feel, the keyboard, the - well, everything. I love the fact I don't have to
spend £100s on applications because most of what I do is built into the OS.
The only thing I've bought is DragThing (because that certain close friend
recommended it - and it's indispensable).

I think there's lots, but a little more diluted into the larger population.

Daiya

You lot just don't get it. But it's good to know you're out there... ;o)

 

[Evadne Cake]

Ah. The sender's name itself. Yes, very distinctive. I did not have my
lateral thinking cap on,

Well, I would normally be very hesitant of commenting on someone's name, but
now that we know it's a nom de plume, I shall dare to flourish the feather a
bit. Indeed "Evadne" is not very common - it sounds like the name of a
spinster sister of an Anglican cleric in a Trollope novel. Surviving into
the 20th century, it would have to be name of a Bournemouth seaside landlady
down at seed, or some such, like one of those ladies in drag in Monty Python
sketches in conversation with Jean-Paul Sartre. Or maybe something dreamed
up by Barry Humphries (Dame Edna) - but that's the wrong continent here.

Now I've gone and done it. We're sure to hear pained objections from people
with beloved relatives, or mothers, named Evadne. I'd better go hide. But
well done, Daiya.

I've used many Pratchett aliases over time - my Hotmail address is actually
Magrat Garlick. I have a GMail account under Ludmila Cake and a Yahoo addy
(no longer used much) under Susan Sto Helit. And as for my passwords - well
you'd *REALLY* have to be a Pratchettite to guess any of them... Most of them
are the names of characters whose sole purpose was to die - usually in a very
grisly manner. Oh and Ysabell is one I've used in the past, too.

Most people don't get it. Some do. Daiya was one of the very few Americans
who have done (and, funnily enough, all the Yanks I've known who like him
have been female. Obviously doesn't appeal to the male population).

 

[Evadne Cake]

On 7/29/05 9:59 AM, in article BF0FAE8E.3D0C2%[email protected], [Pratchett]

Evadne Cake is a character. A "medium, verging on small." Though in fact
usually referred to as Mrs Cake, so I had to google to confirm before
replying, though the first name jogged my memory.

And the (e-mail address removed) address suggested this poster was savvy
enough
to use a different name, plus Evadne isn't a real common name (is it?).

Ah. The sender's name itself. Yes, very distinctive. I did not have my
lateral thinking cap on,

Well, I would normally be very hesitant of commenting on someone's name, but
now that we know it's a nom de plume, I shall dare to flourish the feather a
bit. Indeed "Evadne" is not very common - it sounds like the name of a
spinster sister of an Anglican cleric in a Trollope novel. Surviving into
the 20th century, it would have to be name of a Bournemouth seaside landlady
down at seed, or some such, like one of those ladies in drag in Monty Python
sketches in conversation with Jean-Paul Sartre. Or maybe something dreamed
up by Barry Humphries (Dame Edna) - but that's the wrong continent here.

Now I've gone and done it. We're sure to hear pained objections from people
with beloved relatives, or mothers, named Evadne. I'd better go hide. But
well done, Daiya.

Evadne Hinge and Hilda Brackett, anyone?

Sara,

You do realise you're posting with an unadulterated address, don't you...?
Hardly sensible.

But yes, true. Though as they're technically Australian for the purposes of
this, don't count...

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Actually, that was Daiya, not me, but who's counting ;-)?

Beth

 

[Clive Huggan]

On 30/7/05 9:31 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Evadne Cake"

Sara,

You do realise you're posting with an unadulterated address, don't you...?
Hardly sensible.

Sara (and anyone else watching),

What Evadne is referring to is that software that trawls through the Net is
likely to pick up your e-mail address. An easy solution is as follows:

To avoid spam directed at contributors of newsgroups, set up a send-only
dummy e-mail account.

You do that in Entourage and Microsoft Outlook Express via Tools menu ->
Accounts -> Mail -> New. Make it a POP account (even if you use an IMAP
account normally) and click to Configure manually. Enter your real name and
a fake e-mail address. Leave all the settings for "Receiving server" blank.
In the "SMTP server" field under "Sending mail", enter a real SMTP server
from one of your real mail accounts (POP or IMAP, or even Hotmail). If your
SMTP server requires authentication, click Advanced sending options and fill
in your password. Click OK, and again for the warning that says you won't be
able to receive mail.

Then go into Tools menu -> Accounts -> News and set the account to the dummy
account you just created.

Be sure not to include this account in your Send and Receive schedule,
because you can't send or receive regular e mail with this account.

You can still allow legitimate newsgroup posters to e-mail you directly ‹
put your real e-mail address (masked with NOSPAM or, better, something less
obvious to a machine) in your signature. If it's put in the address after
the "@", the spam won't even get to your ISP, which helps to minimise spam
traffic on the Internet.

If you do decide to post to the newsgroups from a dummy e-mail address,
don't forget to sign your name (at least your first name) at the bottom of
your message. It's the courteous thing to do, and if you end up posting
several questions or follow-ups, the people answering will remember your
real name better than an alias, and you may well get a better answer.

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 7 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

 

[Clive Huggan]

I've used many Pratchett aliases over time - my Hotmail address is actually
Magrat Garlick. I have a GMail account under Ludmila Cake and a Yahoo addy
(no longer used much) under Susan Sto Helit. And as for my passwords - well
you'd *REALLY* have to be a Pratchettite to guess any of them... Most of them
are the names of characters whose sole purpose was to die - usually in a very
grisly manner. Oh and Ysabell is one I've used in the past, too.

Most people don't get it. Some do. Daiya was one of the very few Americans
who have done (and, funnily enough, all the Yanks I've known who like him
have been female. Obviously doesn't appeal to the male population).

There are plenty of non-US people in the MacWord MVP newsgroup, "Evadne".
And even here in the southern hemisphere there are blokes sufficiently well
in touch with their feminine side to enjoy Pratchett ...

All two of them ;-)

CH
==

 

[Sara Kirk]

[snip]

Evadne Hinge and Hilda Brackett, anyone?

Sara,

You do realise you're posting with an unadulterated address, don't you...?
Hardly sensible.

How very patronising of you!

I've been posting to usenet for many years under my real name and not
found it to be a problem. The combination of Blueyonder's and Mail's
spam filters (before that I used Spamfire, which was excellent) more
than adequate for dealing with any address harvesters, and as I don't
(knowingly!) post anything illegal or libellous I have no problem with
being identified with the content of my posts.

But yes, true. Though as they're technically Australian for the purposes of
this, don't count...

I like Australians