Word for Mac AFTER installing SNOW LEOPARD

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HUNGRY_DINGO

Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel Seems that a lot of people are having problems with WORD FOR MAC after installing Snow Leopard. I'm running the 2008 WORD FOR MAC on my Mac Book Pro that I just bought about 6 or 7 months ago with the Leopard op system and I don't have any problems at all with it, knock on wood. Does anyone out there think I'll start having crashes if I upgrade to Snow Leopard? Is it worth the trouble?
 
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John McGhie

Generally, Snow Leopard is an improvement on 10.5. It's full of bug fixes
and little enhancements. Nothing "Oh wow, I gotta have that!" but lots of
little "nice to haves" that collectively make it well worth it.

If you follow the suggestions, Word 2008 will run a lot better in Snow
Leopard than it does in 10.5. I had no problems here, on two machines.

1) Use OnyX to clear all your caches immediately before upgrading.

2) Do a clean install.

3) NO "migrating". Install your applications as a fresh install.

4) Use FontBook to resolve all the duplicate fonts before starting any of
Office.

5) Ensure you run Software Update to update OS X immediately, then apply
software updates to all your other applications: run Microsoft AutoUpdate
twice, or until it stops offering updates.

Do it like that and you will be glad you made the switch. Do it some other
way, and you may have a more interesting journey to report.

Cheers


Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel Seems
that a lot of people are having problems with WORD FOR MAC after installing
Snow Leopard. I'm running the 2008 WORD FOR MAC on my Mac Book Pro that I just
bought about 6 or 7 months ago with the Leopard op system and I don't have any
problems at all with it, knock on wood. Does anyone out there think I'll start
having crashes if I upgrade to Snow Leopard? Is it worth the trouble?

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Frank & Linda Blazosky

I have two machine with 10.6.2 and one works OK after upgrade and other
other has many Word and Office 2008 (various app problems). It does seem
there are some issues with Microsoft products after this latest update. I
have had none on Mac mini but many on Macbook pro.
 
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John McGhie

Answered elsewhere


I have two machine with 10.6.2 and one works OK after upgrade and other
other has many Word and Office 2008 (various app problems). It does seem
there are some issues with Microsoft products after this latest update. I
have had none on Mac mini but many on Macbook pro.

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Gary Goldberg

Just my experience: I upgraded from 10.4.11 to 10.6.2 and had no
problems with Word 2004. The Apple Store warned that I'd have to
reinstall Word because the license doesn't carry over during the
migration (which they did), but all I had to do was to tell Word again
where my Custom Dictionary was (Word seems to forget where it is
everything I apply a Word update).
 
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hielan' laddie

1 please try to avoid posting to USENET using HTML crap. Some newsreaders
(including the one I usually use) see HTML crap as a binary attachment, not
as a text message, and treat it accordingly.

2 I have MS Office 2008. It was installed on my main system prior to my
updating to OS X 10.6. I have not had to do anything whatsoever to it since
my upgrade. It has worked whenever I wanted it to, without complaint.

3 Pages and OpenOffice are cheaper and easier to use than MS Office, and I
would use them instead except for the fact that I was provided with MS Office
2008 for free under the terms of my current employment.
 
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hielan' laddie

Generally, Snow Leopard is an improvement on 10.5. It's full of bug fixes
and little enhancements. Nothing "Oh wow, I gotta have that!" but lots of
little "nice to haves" that collectively make it well worth it.

If you follow the suggestions, Word 2008 will run a lot better in Snow
Leopard than it does in 10.5. I had no problems here, on two machines.

1) Use OnyX to clear all your caches immediately before upgrading.

Unnecessary, but will do no harm.
2) Do a clean install.

Bullshit. I've _never_ done a clean install on a Mac. Not even once. Never
had a problem.

Windows, now, that'd be different.
3) NO "migrating". Install your applications as a fresh install.

Bullshit. I just did a standard upgrade as per the default method suggested
on the SL disc, and everything not moved by the installer into a 'bad app, do
not use' folder worked. Stuff moved to that folder didn't work and still
didn't work if reinstalled from their discs.

Doing a fresh install is a Good Thing for Windows, but a grand waste of time
on a Mac.
4) Use FontBook to resolve all the duplicate fonts before starting any of
Office.

That might be a good idea. Using a serious font manager such as Suitcase or
Font Explorer would be a better idea. Font Book is no longer in the Not Ready
For Prime Time category that it was stuck in for so many years, but it's not
by any means a serious font manager.
5) Ensure you run Software Update to update OS X immediately, then apply
software updates to all your other applications: run Microsoft AutoUpdate
twice, or until it stops offering updates.

It would be a good idea to run SU quickly, but 'immediately' would be pushing
it. (Again, this would be mandatory on a Windows box, but not on a Mac.)
Do it like that and you will be glad you made the switch. Do it some other
way, and you may have a more interesting journey to report.

Nope. Just run Disk Utility to make sure that your directory is okay, (and
maybe check permissions, though that usually makes no significant difference)
and then do the standard install, and maybe a little cleanup of the fonts
and, if you want to, run SU. (You really should run SU fairly quickly, just
not necessarily first thing). There's no need for a clean install or to
reinstall apps.

Most of those who have probs with SL are those who had a screwed-up system
_before_ moving to SL and didn't fix the probs first.
 
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John McGhie

Hi Bobbie:

I think what you are saying is that the entire world should fall into line
to suit the somewhat less-advanced abilities of your favourite newsreader.

I don't want to ruin your day or anything, but that is not going to happen.

About 90 per cent of the messages you see in "here" are being originated by
one of about five web interfaces that originate in HTML.

The posters have no control over it, and neither do you.

Cheers


1 please try to avoid posting to USENET using HTML crap. Some newsreaders
(including the one I usually use) see HTML crap as a binary attachment, not
as a text message, and treat it accordingly.

2 I have MS Office 2008. It was installed on my main system prior to my
updating to OS X 10.6. I have not had to do anything whatsoever to it since
my upgrade. It has worked whenever I wanted it to, without complaint.

3 Pages and OpenOffice are cheaper and easier to use than MS Office, and I
would use them instead except for the fact that I was provided with MS Office
2008 for free under the terms of my current employment.

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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John McGhie

Hi Bobbie:

Unnecessary, but will do no harm.

That has not been our experience.
Bullshit. I've _never_ done a clean install on a Mac. Not even once. Never
had a problem.

Thank you for offering a single data point (your experience). However, to
peremptorily dismiss the advice we offer, we would expect rather more
evidence to substantiate your claims.

Our advice is based upon the experiences reported by several thousand users.
Bullshit. I just did a standard upgrade as per the default method suggested
on the SL disc, and everything not moved by the installer into a 'bad app, do
not use' folder worked. Stuff moved to that folder didn't work and still
didn't work if reinstalled from their discs.

Again, what "you" did is a valid datapoint, but it does not negate the
advice we offer, which is designed to produce a good user experience under
all possible circumstances.

I guess from the confidence with which you express yourself tat you have
extensive experience in system maintenance and keep your system running very
clean. That does not describe the majority of our audience, who bought Macs
so they could avoid thinking about system maintenance at all, let alone do
any.

If I may make another point, this is NOT "USENET". Sorry, but it's not.
The USENET group you are looking at is a very secondary output from the
Microsoft webserver (and not even the main www.microsoft.com server at
that...) The replication out to the newsserver is a favour done by
Microsoft to the people who spend a lot of time offering help in here. We
tend to prefer NNTP for speed and convenience with threaded discussions when
answering questions. But more than 90 per cent of the "customers" of this
service neither know what USENET is, nor use it.

What I am leading up to is that we could do without the "robust" language in
here: this is a "family newspaper" (you will find that your post has been
stripped from the web servers the majority of the audience is looking at,
there is an automatic "Naught Word Filter" running as part of the anti-spam
service.
It would be a good idea to run SU quickly, but 'immediately' would be pushing
it. (Again, this would be mandatory on a Windows box, but not on a Mac.)

Our experience is different. You do not, of course, have to update
"immediately". But if you do not do so before starting any piece of
Microsoft Office, you will end up with munged preferences that will give you
grief until you flatten it and start again.
You really should run SU fairly quickly, just not necessarily first thing.

Before the Daemon starts is the key, and the daemon will be started by the
first Office application that starts.

Welcome aboard: please hang around: your experience and ability will be very
useful to all of us. But maybe be a little less "forthright" in your
language :)

Cheers

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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hielan' laddie

Hi Bobbie:



That has not been our experience.


Thank you for offering a single data point (your experience). However, to
peremptorily dismiss the advice we offer, we would expect rather more
evidence to substantiate your claims.

Our advice is based upon the experiences reported by several thousand users.

Rather more than just me. And 'just me' is 'just me' on multiple machines
over a very long time. I've installed SL on over three dozen machines,
including 25 last week; we just got through doing a Mass Update, upper
management is insane. Never had to do a clean install. Not even once. I've
been doing updates on Macs since, well, since there have been Macs. never
done a clean install. Not even once.
Again, what "you" did is a valid datapoint, but it does not negate the
advice we offer, which is designed to produce a good user experience under
all possible circumstances.

I guess from the confidence with which you express yourself tat you have
extensive experience in system maintenance and keep your system running very
clean. That does not describe the majority of our audience, who bought Macs
so they could avoid thinking about system maintenance at all, let alone do
any.

Oh, yeah. I've been running Macs (and Windows machines, and before that DOS
machines) for over 20 years. I've had to do many, many, MANY clean installs
on Windows boxes, including last week when we had to move a whole lot of
machines from XP and a bunch of others from Vista to Windows 7 during the
Mass Update. That was a pain and a half. It was a good thing that we could
generate a few disk images or we'd still be at it. Macs are _easy_ to
upgrade.

System maint on a Mac is a lot simpler than on Windows. No playing with the
Registry, 'cause there's no Registry. That kills a whole lot of problems
right there, including the primary reason for reinstalling apps from disc. No
HAL nonsense, either, so that a system that works on one Mac should work on
another (within certain limits, of course; OS X 10.6 doesn't work, period, on
PPC Macs, and it can be a pain to get PPC Macs to boot off of hard drives
partitioned using GUID) and that makes generating disk images a breeze
compared to Windows. A bunch of required operations on Windows are simply not
necessary, or in some cases even possible, on a Mac.

However, one thing that _everyone_ has to do, even on Macs, is to ensure that
his disk directory is healthy. On Windows, you really should run CHKDSK at
least every every so often just in case, and getting something that checks
the Registry and something else which does a little defragging would be a
Good Idea. On a Mac, run Disk Utility every now and again, especially just
before doing a system update. On both, back up early and often. If you fail
to do that kind of thing, you _will_ be sorry. Time Machine on Macs makes
that easy. Windows really needs something of the kind. (It should be noted
that sometimes TM backups get corrupted, at which time the only cure is to
start a new backup. That's why work machines may get backed up using TM, but
also get backed up using good, old-fashioned, but known to work, backup
software to good, old-fashioned but known to work, tape, every night. It's
not paranoia when they _are_ out to get you.
If I may make another point, this is NOT "USENET". Sorry, but it's not.
The USENET group you are looking at is a very secondary output from the
Microsoft webserver (and not even the main www.microsoft.com server at
that...) The replication out to the newsserver is a favour done by
Microsoft to the people who spend a lot of time offering help in here. We
tend to prefer NNTP for speed and convenience with threaded discussions when
answering questions. But more than 90 per cent of the "customers" of this
service neither know what USENET is, nor use it.

Ah. I'm seeing it on a USENET feed. My error. That explains all the HTML crap
cluttering up the various threads. On some threads, half of the messages are
unreadable because of that.
What I am leading up to is that we could do without the "robust" language in
here: this is a "family newspaper" (you will find that your post has been
stripped from the web servers the majority of the audience is looking at,
there is an automatic "Naught Word Filter" running as part of the anti-spam
service.

Opps. Sorry about that, I'm used to USENET, where I'm one of the more
softspoken people around... I'll try to be more circumspect.
Our experience is different. You do not, of course, have to update
"immediately". But if you do not do so before starting any piece of
Microsoft Office, you will end up with munged preferences that will give you
grief until you flatten it and start again.

The machines I'm responsible for at work are behind a good firewall and we
have adequate A/V stuff, so running SU isn't a big deal at work. My home
systems are usually updated from my very own little update server, which
grabs the updates for me (Windows, Mac, Linux) and from which I can update
without going near the internet on the individual machines.
Before the Daemon starts is the key, and the daemon will be started by the
first Office application that starts.

I usually turn off automatic updating on all my systems at home 'cause I want
to control when things get updated. I let the server grab updates, I test 'em
out, and then I have the server drop them onto the relevant machines at a
time and place of my choosing. Usually this means at about 03:00, when
everyone's asleep and any reboots which might be necessary won't cause
problems.
 
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hielan' laddie

Hi Bobbie:

I think what you are saying is that the entire world should fall into line
to suit the somewhat less-advanced abilities of your favourite newsreader.

Nah, just that HTML belongs on webpages, not on USENET. USENET should be
plain ASCII. (Email should be, too; HTML email is the work of dark Satanic
forces, usually trying to sell me stuff.)

However, I see from the other reply that the posts don't start on USENET, so
I'll be quiet about that.
 
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

hielan' laddie said:
Nah, just that HTML belongs on webpages, not on USENET. USENET should be
plain ASCII. (Email should be, too; HTML email is the work of dark Satanic
forces, usually trying to sell me stuff.)

Speak for yourself


HTML email is a boon for folks with bad eyesight. Plain courier or
courier new roman is a b.... on weak eyes.
 
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John McGhie

Yeah, well I am not a big fan of HTML either, but I can't do anything about
it either :)

I *have* gone over to Unicode rather than ASCII, because it means I don't
have to think when encoding special characters. We're very multinational in
here, and quite often need non-ASCII characters in posts :)

Cheers


Nah, just that HTML belongs on webpages, not on USENET. USENET should be
plain ASCII. (Email should be, too; HTML email is the work of dark Satanic
forces, usually trying to sell me stuff.)

However, I see from the other reply that the posts don't start on USENET, so
I'll be quiet about that.


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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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hielan' laddie

Speak for yourself


HTML email is a boon for folks with bad eyesight.

I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was eight years old, man, long
before email existed. I suspect that you may be in error about your position.
Just a little bit.
Plain courier or
courier new roman is a b.... on weak eyes.

Increase the font size. Use a nicer font, like Lucida Typewriter, Lucida Sans
Typewriter (that's the font I usually use for USENET), Monaco, Monospace 821,
or Monotype. There are scores, even hundreds, of monospace fonts out there,
in bitmap, TrueType, PostScript Type 1, and OpenType formats. Pick one you
like. And, unless you want to do ASCII art or to write code using your NNTP
client or your email client, you don't have to use a monospace font. If you
like Palatino or Optima or even Zapf Chancery and use that, no-one else will
either know or care. Your system will show email (or NNTP posts) in the font
and size of your choice... and when you send email (or NNTP posts) to someone
else, _their_ system will show the posts in the font and size of _their_
choice. If you send me HTML crap, it shows up at _my_ end in the font and
size (and colour, and blinking lights, and strange .GIFs, etc.) of _your_
choice... if I let it in the door, which I don't. I like _my_ choice.

And, of course, _you_ can use HTML email if you so choose. Just so that you
know that if you said HTML email to _me_ or to any site under my control, it
will be considered to be spam and terminated with extreme prejudice at the
mail server. NNTP posts sent in HTML show as attachments, and I must make a
conscious decision to view them... and have set my system so that they show
as 12-point Courier New, no colours, no .GIFs or other pix, no sound effects,
not even any bold or italic formatting, just plain text. That's how _I_ like
to read USENET. Posts which resist being formatted my way don't get read. If
you like different settings, I certainly wouldn't stop you from using them
even if I could, which I can't. Go ahead, use what you like. Just know
beforehand that a lot of your extra formatting will simply be stripped away
by many other users, and if your stuff is so heavily formatted that stripping
it is impractical, your entire post may be discarded unread. It's your
choice, man.
 
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John McGhie

Hi Bobbie:

On 22/12/09 2:57 AM, in article (e-mail address removed), "hielan'

Phillip is a nice guy, and he was not as lucky as some of us in life. He's
been with us for many years, and I think we're all really glad he's here :)
And, of course, _you_ can use HTML email if you so choose. Just so that you
know that if you said HTML email to _me_ or to any site under my control, it
will be considered to be spam and terminated with extreme prejudice at the
mail server. NNTP posts sent in HTML show as attachments, and I must make a
conscious decision to view them... and have set my system so that they show
as 12-point Courier New, no colours, no .GIFs or other pix, no sound effects,
not even any bold or italic formatting, just plain text. That's how _I_ like
to read USENET. Posts which resist being formatted my way don't get read. If
you like different settings, I certainly wouldn't stop you from using them
even if I could, which I can't. Go ahead, use what you like. Just know
beforehand that a lot of your extra formatting will simply be stripped away
by many other users, and if your stuff is so heavily formatted that stripping
it is impractical, your entire post may be discarded unread. It's your
choice, man.

Love it! My sentiments precisely. I just check the option that says "Read
all email in plain text" so whatever they send, it's stripped back to
unformatted ASCII before I see it.

Unless I have already corresponded with someone, anything with an attachment
is unlikely to survive my spam filter (practically zero chance...) and the
spam filter is on the server, so I never become aware of their email.

As you said: it's their choice how they send it. But the recipient (me!)
has choices, too :) I would rather not spend my entire day digging viruses
out of my Windows virtual machines, so like Bobbie, I exercise those choices
:)

Cheers

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The email below is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless I ask you to; or unless you intend to pay!

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

John McGhie said:
4) Use FontBook to resolve all the duplicate fonts before starting any of
Office.

I would say:
- Use Font Book to identify issues (duplicates, corruptions) and
manually move the implicated fonts out of the dedicated locations to
deactivate them. Don't trust Font Book to do it for you.

Then trash the font cache and reboot.

Font issues have been NASTY with Snow Leopard.

Corentin
 
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

hielan' laddie said:
I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was eight years old, man, long
before email existed. I suspect that you may be in error about your position.
Just a little bit.


Increase the font size. Use a nicer font, like Lucida Typewriter, Lucida Sans
Typewriter (that's the font I usually use for USENET), Monaco, Monospace 821,
or Monotype. There are scores, even hundreds, of monospace fonts out there,
in bitmap, TrueType, PostScript Type 1, and OpenType formats. Pick one you
like. And, unless you want to do ASCII art or to write code using your NNTP
client or your email client, you don't have to use a monospace font. If you
like Palatino or Optima or even Zapf Chancery and use that, no-one else will
either know or care. Your system will show email (or NNTP posts) in the font
and size of your choice... and when you send email (or NNTP posts) to someone
else, _their_ system will show the posts in the font and size of _their_
choice. If you send me HTML crap, it shows up at _my_ end in the font and
size (and colour, and blinking lights, and strange .GIFs, etc.) of _your_
choice... if I let it in the door, which I don't. I like _my_ choice.

And, of course, _you_ can use HTML email if you so choose. Just so that you
know that if you said HTML email to _me_ or to any site under my control, it
will be considered to be spam and terminated with extreme prejudice at the
mail server. NNTP posts sent in HTML show as attachments, and I must make a
conscious decision to view them... and have set my system so that they show
as 12-point Courier New, no colours, no .GIFs or other pix, no sound effects,
not even any bold or italic formatting, just plain text. That's how _I_ like
to read USENET. Posts which resist being formatted my way don't get read. If
you like different settings, I certainly wouldn't stop you from using them
even if I could, which I can't. Go ahead, use what you like. Just know
beforehand that a lot of your extra formatting will simply be stripped away
by many other users, and if your stuff is so heavily formatted that stripping
it is impractical, your entire post may be discarded unread. It's your
choice, man.
I'm not talking about blinking lights or fancy colors. I've tried using
other fonts for plain text just doesn't line up right. In newsgroups I
follow what ever the norm is if plain text I use Plain text. Despite my
eyesight. But my preferences would be to view in in HTML. as the saying
goes use what you want.

Just don't knock html mail because you don't use or like it.
 

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