Anchor frame to a page

[MHughes2]

I have a document where I am trying to anchor a frame to a page, the
frame has a figure with caption in it.

I do not want to anchor the frame to a paragraph because there's a
chance the paragraph may move up a few lines and start on the previous
page, which will screw up the formatting because the anchor and frame
need to be on the same page.

So my question is: is there a way to anchor a frame to the page that I
set it on?

I realize if the paragraph gets moved up a page i can just move the
anchor down a paragraph, but i'd like to keep this as automated as
possible.

Thanks!

 

[MHughes2]

Thanks for the reply.

Then I must be missing how to insert the frame inline, because word
will only let me anchor to where there is a break symbol (keystroke:
enter), which is of course at paragraphs.

Also, since I can anchor to a page Is there anyway around this?

 

[CyberTaz]

<snip>

No.

Objects in a Word doc are either anchored to paragraphs (Text Wrapping
applied) or inserted into the text like a character (In Line). Nothing can
be anchored to a page because there are no pages. The deceptive presentation
of the file's content on screen is misleading & provided only because most
people want to have some idea what the pages are going to look like once the
printer produces them.

 

[MHughes2]

The reason I ask is because I have a picture and caption in a frame
that takes up the entire page, except for a couple of lines of text,
which are continuous and don't have paragraph breaks... hence no where
to anchor. So my big frame keeps getting moved to the next page, which
just looks bad.

there's got to be a way around this, right?? I just want to have a
frame at the top of the page and have it stay there and let text just
wrap around it.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

You can anchor the frame to a given paragraph and specify the position
relative to the page.

 

[MHughes2]

I realize that... but i have no paragraph to anchor to because the
frame is too big

 

[CyberTaz]

For clarity: There *has* to be a paragraph on the page otherwise there
wouldn't be a "page" - Paragraphs are all that exist... Where do you think
the "couple of lines of text" are if not in a paragraph? If you're not
familiar with it, click the ¶ button and you'll see where they are. I
guarantee there is at least *1* on the same "page" as the frame & the frame
is anchored to one of them

And Yes, you're right - Frames are one type of object that *can't* be set to
In Line. They can only be set to either "None" (equivalent of Top & Bottom)
or "Around" ( equivalent of Square). Also, if a Text Box is set to In Line
it can't be converted to a frame unless you apply one of the Text Wrapping
options.

 

[MHughes2]

I am familiar with the show/hide feature in word.

To anchor to a paragraph there must be line break-- ie a '¶' must
appear on the page.

In my case a page in my document consists of a large frame and with
room for 3 lines of text. 5 lines of a long paragraph are continued
from the previous page which force the '¶' on to the next page in turn
moving my frame to the next page. So I have something like this

Page 1: multiple lines of text filling the page
Page 2: 5 lines of CONTINUOUS text carried over from page 1, the rest
of the page is whitespace
Page 3: a big frame

where what I want is:

Page 1: multiple lines of text filling the page
Page 2: big frame at the top of the page followed by 3 lines of
CONTINUOUS TEXT (ie no ¶)
Page 3: 2 lines of text.


I assure you I am not day dreaming this scenario, I would be happy to
provide an example of what I am trying to show. I will *guarantee* you
there is not one ¶ i can anchor to on page 2. I am trying to develop
a professional looking document, and it just looks ridiculous right
now.

If you are going to reply to this topic, I ask you try this:

-fill 3 pages with text, starting at the top of page 1 and just hold
down a single key (or make a really long paragraph or something) just
do not hit 'enter'.

- turn on show/hide, i promise you that the '¶' will be at then end of
page 3 and there will be no '¶' on page 1 or 2. (but then pages 1 &2
probably aren't real pages, right??????)

- now try to put a frame at the top of page 2.... you can't do it
because there's no ¶ on page 2... the frame will anchor to page 1.

I realize this is an unrealistic activity, but it demonstrates the
problem I have.

there MUST be a workaround for this, but you guys are the best so if
there is one, you'll find it.

 

[CyberTaz]

I'm sorry you went to all this unnecessary trouble and it's equally needless
to go through the exercise you so elaborately detailed... I understand
exactly what you're describing - You have a paragraph that starts on page 1,
flows across page 2, and continues onto page 3. That not only doesn't negate
what I posted, it confirms it. That's *exactly* why you can't get the frame
onto page 2... there is no paragraph starting on that page to which it can
be anchored.

If you reread my message you'll realize that I said nothing about what
specific page the ¶ would be on or that there would be one on page 2. What I
said is that you *will* find one on the page where the frame is. You've
confirmed that - and since no paragraph *starts* on page 2 you can't put the
frame on that page.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that a frame must be anchored to
the *first line* of a paragraph and since you have no paragraph starting on
page 2 an object can't be included there unless it is set to In Line...
which as previously mentioned is not an option for a frame.

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I am familiar with the show/hide feature in word.

To anchor to a paragraph there must be line break-- ie a '¶' must
appear on the page.

In my case a page in my document consists of a large frame and with
room for 3 lines of text. 5 lines of a long paragraph are continued
from the previous page which force the '¶' on to the next page in turn
moving my frame to the next page. So I have something like this

Page 1: multiple lines of text filling the page
Page 2: 5 lines of CONTINUOUS text carried over from page 1, the rest
of the page is whitespace
Page 3: a big frame

where what I want is:

Page 1: multiple lines of text filling the page
Page 2: big frame at the top of the page followed by 3 lines of
CONTINUOUS TEXT (ie no ¶)
Page 3: 2 lines of text.


I assure you I am not day dreaming this scenario, I would be happy to
provide an example of what I am trying to show. I will *guarantee* you
there is not one ¶ i can anchor to on page 2. I am trying to develop
a professional looking document, and it just looks ridiculous right
now.

If you are going to reply to this topic, I ask you try this:

-fill 3 pages with text, starting at the top of page 1 and just hold
down a single key (or make a really long paragraph or something) just
do not hit 'enter'.

- turn on show/hide, i promise you that the '¶' will be at then end of
page 3 and there will be no '¶' on page 1 or 2. (but then pages 1 &2
probably aren't real pages, right??????)

- now try to put a frame at the top of page 2.... you can't do it
because there's no ¶ on page 2... the frame will anchor to page 1.

I realize this is an unrealistic activity, but it demonstrates the
problem I have.

there MUST be a workaround for this, but you guys are the best so if
there is one, you'll find it.

 

[MHughes2]

I did re-read you post, and not to split hairs but:

"There *has* to be a paragraph on the page otherwise there
wouldn't be a "page" - Paragraphs are all that exist... Where do you
think
the "couple of lines of text" are if not in a paragraph?"

My post was to indicate what you said is not true, you most recent
post confirmed that as well.

It is possible for pages to exist even without the presence of a
paragraph, ie a ¶.

Nevertheless this is irrelevant, and my core problem is still indeed
not solved.

As I posed earlier, I need to devise a means of fixing a figure and
caption to the top of a page that has no ¶ symbols on it. Clearly I
can't use a frame, and I need this figure to stay in place, as the
document may be edited in the future and lines could be removed or
added and I don't want this to result in me having to move the figure/
caption all around again.

Any thoughts???? I know this is possible in LaTeX, but I'm not a huge
fan of LaTeX, so I'd much rather use word.

 

[Brian Smither]

(e-mail address removed) wrote in @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

I need to devise a means of fixing a figure and
caption to the top of a page that has no ¶ symbols on it.

Should it have no ¶ on the page, it should still be able to have a header.
Put the graphic's anchor in the ¶ in the header. You may have to learn some
tricks about inserting continuous section breaks at critical locations in
order to switch on a header for that section only.

And even though the graphic's anchor is in the header, you can still fix
the position of the graphic to anywhere on the page and specify how the
text is to flow around it.

See some of the FAX templates that come with Word.

 

[Brian Smither]

Hmm. More experiments show Word to be fairly squirrely when doing this.

The anchor gets placed at the first line of text on a page with no
paragraph marks, and the graphic (text box in my experiments) was resized
to cover all but two lines of text. But when those words started moving to
other pages, the whole pagination scheme went bonkers.

 

[CyberTaz]

My purpose is not to argue with you but to explain how the program works.
That is exceedingly difficult to do when you continue to read into what I
have written. The statement which you quoted does not include anything about
a paragraph *marker* having to be on the page, it simply says that a
_paragraph_ must be on a page for a page to exist. The marker simply denotes
where a paragraph _ends_ as a result of pressing Enter.

The only "conceivable" way to approach keeping a graphic in a fixed location
in a Word doc is to put it in the Header/Footer. That not only be rather
disruptive but also has distinct limitations & considerations which make it
less than feasible for most users. Have a look at the 2 posts from Brian
Smithers - who made a valiant effort to offer an alternative but discovered
some of what I've just stated.

I'm sorry that my 20 years of experience with this program on both the Mac
and the PC is not sufficient to satisfy your requirements, but I'm simply
not about to tell you that you can do something that can't be done simply
because that's what you would prefer to hear. Word is *not* a desktop
publishing / page layout program and the more one tries to force it into
that mold the more violently it resists.

Good Luck |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 9/28/07 5:59 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "(e-mail address removed)"

I did re-read you post, and not to split hairs but:

"There *has* to be a paragraph on the page otherwise there
wouldn't be a "page" - Paragraphs are all that exist... Where do you
think
the "couple of lines of text" are if not in a paragraph?"

My post was to indicate what you said is not true, you most recent
post confirmed that as well.

It is possible for pages to exist even without the presence of a
paragraph, ie a .

Nevertheless this is irrelevant, and my core problem is still indeed
not solved.

As I posed earlier, I need to devise a means of fixing a figure and
caption to the top of a page that has no symbols on it. Clearly I
can't use a frame, and I need this figure to stay in place, as the
document may be edited in the future and lines could be removed or
added and I don't want this to result in me having to move the figure/
caption all around again.

Any thoughts???? I know this is possible in LaTeX, but I'm not a huge
fan of LaTeX, so I'd much rather use word.

 

[MHughes2]

Likewise, I don't wish to argue. I am no novice, despite your
assumption, and I had tried the header/footer thing well before I even
made my first post here. Of course though you do not know the
technical level of posters, therefore it is responsible to assume we
have a limited technical skill, which is understandable.

The fact of the matter is, I needed to figure this out or an
acceptable work around.

After my initial post, I replied 3 times asking for any suggestions or
'workarounds' only to have replies which showed no 'expert' insight (i
don't regard myself as an expert and I learned nothing here i hadn't
already learned by hitting 'F1' ). All I was looking for is a simple
"there is no sufficient workaround" instead you chose to harp on
things such as what i called a paragraph and continued to reiterate
things which did not further the solution to my problem.

I am sorry for trying to push for more in depth thought and expertise.

 

[Keith Howell]

Would it work if you use a single column table where cell 1 is the whole of
the first page. Cell 2 is your frame at the top of page 2, cell 3 is the
lines of text, cell 4 uses up the rest of page 2, cell 5 is your text on page
3 and cell 6 if needed uses up the rest of page 3. Knock off the boarders and
as they used to say in the Young Ones - "Nobody will ever know"

Alternatively, could you use text boxes in the same way. Food for thought
that might come to nought

 

[Keith Howell]

Would it work if you use a single column table where cell 1 is the whole of
the first page. Cell 2 is your frame at the top of page 2, cell 3 is the
lines of text, cell 4 uses up the rest of page 2, cell 5 is your text on page
3 and cell 6 if needed uses up the rest of page 3. Knock off the boarders and
as they used to say in the Young Ones - "Nobody will ever know"

Alternatively, could you use text boxes in the same way. Food for thought
that might come to nought

I've never used linked text boxes but could that be a way of skipping from
page 1 to page 3 if that is what is wanted?