Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)

Discussion in 'Outlook General' started by jan, Sep 17, 2013.

  1. jan

    ~BD~ Guest

    jan <> wrote:
    > On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:43:56 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >> Note: None of the components or the entire suite of any Office version is
    >> freeware hence jan's post is off-topic to the alt.comp.FREEware newsgroup.

    >
    > This is true, but, interestingly, the ONLY place I found all the answers
    > was in alt.comp.freeware!
    >
    > None of the Microsoft groups had the answer; but, a search in alt.comp.freeware
    > found the legitimate way to download, for free, both Microsoft Office
    > 2007 Home and Student (from microsoft's web site) and Microsoft Office
    > 2003 Student and Teacher Edition.
    >
    > In addition, the Outlook guys didn't tell me that 2007 didn't contain
    > Outlook; the freeware guys did.
    >
    > So, while it may be the wrong group, the freeware group rocks!


    To what Microsoft groups do you refer, Jan? Microsoft severed its
    relationship with Usenet several years ago.

    This is where you should seek Microsoft info. Nowadays
    --
    Dave
     
    ~BD~, Sep 18, 2013
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  2. jan

    ~BD~ Guest

    ~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote:
    > jan <> wrote:
    >> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:43:56 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
    >>
    >>> Note: None of the components or the entire suite of any Office version is
    >>> freeware hence jan's post is off-topic to the alt.comp.FREEware newsgroup.

    >>
    >> This is true, but, interestingly, the ONLY place I found all the answers
    >> was in alt.comp.freeware!
    >>
    >> None of the Microsoft groups had the answer; but, a search in alt.comp.freeware
    >> found the legitimate way to download, for free, both Microsoft Office
    >> 2007 Home and Student (from microsoft's web site) and Microsoft Office
    >> 2003 Student and Teacher Edition.
    >>
    >> In addition, the Outlook guys didn't tell me that 2007 didn't contain
    >> Outlook; the freeware guys did.
    >>
    >> So, while it may be the wrong group, the freeware group rocks!

    >
    > To what Microsoft groups do you refer, Jan? Microsoft severed its
    > relationship with Usenet several years ago.
    >
    > This is where you should seek Microsoft info. Nowadays


    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us
    --
    Dave
     
    ~BD~, Sep 18, 2013
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  3. On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:40:16 +0000 (UTC), jan wrote:

    > On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:27:07 +0200, Yrrah wrote:
    >
    >> Why do you post this in a _freeware_ newsgroup?

    >
    > Isn't it considered 'freeware' the additional stuff that comes,
    > for free, like IE and OE, with the operating system?


    Probably it's OK to stop answering Harry's nag posts :)

    I don't mind that you post in the freeware group, but then, I don't read
    that group, so *officially*, I'm not allowed to comment.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Sep 18, 2013
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  4. jan

    jan Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:12:11 -0400, ...winston wrote:

    > You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
    > provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
    > Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.


    I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
    kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
    was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
    download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.

    People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
    with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
    and Teacher which I had prior installed.

    Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
    download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.

    Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
    and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
    the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
    works out.

    Thanks for all your help!
     
    jan, Sep 18, 2013
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  5. jan

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Jan.

    You misunderstand the term "freeware".

    We can download MalwareBytes from http://www.malwarebytes.org/ without
    paying a cent. THAT's freeware. Outlook is not freeware.

    When you see a store advertising "Buy One, Get One Free". you can't just
    march in and demand the free one without paying for the first one. That
    second one is not really "free"; its price is bundled into the one you must
    buy to get the second one.

    And, to get Outlook, you must either buy it as a standalone product, or buy
    a version of Office that includes Outlook bundled into it.

    My wife's new Altima didn't come with the highly-touted GPS display. :>(
    To get that, she would have had to buy the more expensive Altima - or pay
    extra to add it to the model she bought. Either way, the GPS would not
    really be "free". Just like Outlook.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
    Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


    "jan" wrote in message news:l1d6pb$3aj$...

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:12:11 -0400, ...winston wrote:

    > You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
    > provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
    > Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.


    I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
    kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
    was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
    download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.

    People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
    with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
    and Teacher which I had prior installed.

    Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
    download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.

    Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
    and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
    the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
    works out.

    Thanks for all your help!
     
    R. C. White, Sep 18, 2013
    #25
  6. jan

    ...winston Guest

    jan wrote:
    > On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:12:11 -0400, ...winston wrote:
    >
    >> You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
    >> provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
    >> Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.

    >
    > I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
    > kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
    > was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
    > download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.
    >
    > People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
    > with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
    > and Teacher which I had prior installed.
    >
    > Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
    > download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.
    >
    > Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
    > and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
    > the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
    > works out.
    >
    > Thanks for all your help!
    >

    Hi Jan,
    We're getting closer to being on the same page

    As others have noted.
    Anything, any version, any edition of Office (03,07,10,13) is not freeware.

    Even with an available MSFT link to download Office 2003 Student and
    Teacher, you'll need a valid (MSFT provided) original Office 2003 S/T
    product key to install/activate for use

    Iirc, and its been years since 2003...that link should be for the trial
    version which requires a valid product key to be entered to fully
    activate it for use.
    - If you do have a valid Product Key for the Office 2003 S/T edition,
    it can be installed/activated for use on three (3) systems.

    If you don't have a valid product key...then that's a much bigger haystack.

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp consumer apps


    --
    ...winston
    msft mvp consumer apps
     
    ...winston, Sep 19, 2013
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  7. jan

    VanguardLH Guest

    Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

    > No version of Microsoft Office has ever been free, and if you found a
    > way to download them, it is *not* legitimate.


    Microsoft does has *backup* copies you can download. The OP gave the
    web page where you go. It is Microsoft. This is the same place that I
    went to download Office 2010 Home & Student and use my existing product
    key to reinstall it. You will need a valid license (product key) to
    install the downloaded installer. That means you need to buy a
    legitimate license key which means you also paid for that backup copy.

    jan is not only confusing the issue by cross-posting to UNRELATED
    newsgroups but also adding to the confusion in what he deems is "free".
    Free, to jan, means obtaining the installer again without cost. Instead
    of having to pay for replacement CDs to get shipped by Microsoft, jan
    can download the installer for "free". He still had to buy the product
    sometime before but jan doesn't have to buy the whole thing again just
    to download the installer file nor does jan have to even pay for
    replacement CDs from Microsoft. The "free" part is just the download of
    the installer file. jan still must have and have paid for the license.

    jan said "I put MS Office 2007 from my CDROM onto his hard disk".
    Before he posted he obviously knew what "my CDROM" he already has. Now
    his story (in another subthread) is he thinks he installed Office 2003
    Home & Teacher on his kid's computer. So just how could be not read the
    label on his "my CDROM" to not know if it was 2007 or 2003?

    Regardless of what he supposes he previously installed on his kid's
    computer, what *he* has in his mitts is the Office 2007 Home & Student
    CD-ROM. We can only address the install CD he actually has, not what he
    thinks he might've installed on his kid's computer a few years ago.

    Now jan has downloaded Office 2003 Home & Teacher from Microsoft's
    backup page. EVERY edition of Office 2003 included Outlook 2003 so it
    doesn't matter which Office 2003 edition he downloaded. What jan has is
    an install CD for Office 2007 Home & Student along with its product key.
    Obviously jan cannot use that 2007 product key for the 2003 version. So
    I don't know what jan thinks he/she can do with the downloaded installer
    for the wrong version (doesn't match his version) from Microsoft.
     
    VanguardLH, Sep 19, 2013
    #27
  8. jan

    jan Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:10:07 -0400, ...winston wrote:

    > If you don't have a valid product key...then that's a much bigger
    > haystack.


    I have a valid key.

    I guess I should have said "free download" and not
    "freeware download", as the download is free.

    Since I have so many Office products lying around, I just
    use a key that I have, so, it's 'free' to me; but I do
    understand that technically, even with the free download,
    it's not freeware.

    The funny thing is, based on searches, the freeware guys know
    far more than the payware (is that what you call Office?) guys
    do when it comes to freely obtainable downloads.

    All the payware guys seem to know about is the CDROM.
     
    jan, Sep 19, 2013
    #28
  9. jan

    VanguardLH Guest

    jan wrote:

    > I must have had on the kid's computer an older version of Microsoft
    > Office 2003 Student & Teacher Edition.


    EVERY edition of Office 2003 includes Outlook 2003. So no matter which
    edition you downloaded from Microsoft, they all would have Outlook. See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_2003#Editions

    Your first/starter post said " MS Office 2007 from my CDROM". Obviously
    you have a CD with Office 2007 Home & Student. You looked at it and
    that's what is in your possession. That is your "my CDROM". The
    product key for that only works for that. You cannot use its product
    key for the downloaded Office 2003 installer.

    Per your first post, you have a CD for Office 2007 Home & Student. How
    is a download of Office 2003 <any edition> going to help out your kid?
    You don't have the product key for the 2003 version. You have a product
    key for the 2007 version. Although the kid's computer crashed (hard
    disk died), maybe he put the COA sticker with the product key for Office
    2003 on the computer case. Your kid will need a 2003 product key to
    match up with the downloaded 2003 installer. Does he have one?
     
    VanguardLH, Sep 19, 2013
    #29
  10. On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:16:25 -0500, VanguardLH <> wrote:

    > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    >
    > > No version of Microsoft Office has ever been free, and if you found a
    > > way to download them, it is *not* legitimate.

    >
    > Microsoft does has *backup* copies you can download. The OP gave the
    > web page where you go. It is Microsoft. This is the same place that I
    > went to download Office 2010 Home & Student and use my existing product
    > key to reinstall it.



    You've said what I meant more clearly than I did. You can't get a
    legitimate copy of Microsoft Office for free simply by downloading it.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 19, 2013
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  11. jan

    jan Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:13:08 +0000, ~BD~ wrote:

    > Microsoft Usenet groups 'closed' some years ago


    Hmmmmmmm... what happens to the posts that go to
    microsoft.public.outlook then?

    Do they not get posted?
     
    jan, Sep 19, 2013
    #31
  12. jan

    jan Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:20:25 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

    > No version of Microsoft Office has ever been free, and if you found a way
    > to download them, it is *not* legitimate.


    That's untrue.

    You can download all versions of Microsoft Office, from Microsoft, for free.

    You just need a product key in order to make them work. :)
     
    jan, Sep 19, 2013
    #32
  13. jan

    ...winston Guest

    "jan" wrote in message news:l1dcfr$iqa$...

    >

    I have a valid key.
    Since I have so many Office products lying around, I just
    use a key that I have, so, it's 'free' to me; but I do
    understand that technically, even with the free download,
    it's not freeware.
    >


    With all those Office product keys...it would seem that at least one
    installation CD would be available.

    I've misplaced software, but I don't recall ever misplacing all
    versions/cd's of the same software.

    An Office product key is only good for the version/edition that provided the
    product key.....since this post started with a statement that you've the
    Office 2007 CD Rom, then link to the Office 2010 forums for a link to Office
    2003...it's really confusing what you or your son have.

    If the Office 2003 S/T was preinstalled on that machine prior to
    crashing...it included an OEM Product Key thus a retail key of Office 2003
    (no matter how many you may have) may not suffice to install/activate it.

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp consumer apps
     
    ...winston, Sep 19, 2013
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  14. jan

    ~BD~ Guest

    jan <> wrote:
    > On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:13:08 +0000, ~BD~ wrote:
    >
    >> Microsoft Usenet groups 'closed' some years ago

    >
    > Hmmmmmmm... what happens to the posts that go to
    > microsoft.public.outlook then?


    Good question, Jan!

    You might possibly have expected someone from Microsoft to respond. In my
    experience, they don't - and very rarely ever did! Even those responding
    at http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us are not, usually, employees of
    Microsoft itself.

    > Do they not get posted?


    Yes - they DO get posted! Please note this extract ....

    "Usenet is distributed among a large, constantly changing conglomeration of
    servers that store and forward messages to one another in so-called news
    feeds. Individual users may read messages from and post messages to a local
    server operated by a commercial usenet provider, their Internet service
    provider, university, employer, or their own server."

    It took me quite some time to understand how Usenet is set up and just how
    it works. You may, like me, benefit from reading and understanding the
    content here:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

    Please advise what you think of the article, Jan.
    --
    Dave
     
    ~BD~, Sep 19, 2013
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  15. Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 05:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
    jan <> wrote:

    > On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:13:08 +0000, ~BD~ wrote:
    >
    > > Microsoft Usenet groups 'closed' some years ago

    >
    > Hmmmmmmm... what happens to the posts that go to
    > microsoft.public.outlook then?
    >
    > Do they not get posted?


    Perhaps what BD meant was that Microsoft 'abandoned' the
    microsoft.public.* hierarchy when they stopped hosting them on their
    own servers.
     
    FromTheRafters, Sep 19, 2013
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  16. jan

    ~BD~ Guest

    FromTheRafters wrote:
    > On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 05:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
    > jan <> wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:13:08 +0000, ~BD~ wrote:
    >>
    >>> Microsoft Usenet groups 'closed' some years ago

    >>
    >> Hmmmmmmm... what happens to the posts that go to
    >> microsoft.public.outlook then?
    >>
    >> Do they not get posted?

    >
    > Perhaps what BD meant was that Microsoft 'abandoned' the
    > microsoft.public.* hierarchy when they stopped hosting them on their
    > own servers.


    You are correct, FTR .... but if I had actually said that, Jan's
    interest may not have been piqued! ;-)

    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pique+interest
     
    ~BD~, Sep 19, 2013
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  17. jan

    s|b Guest

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:33:01 +0000 (UTC), jan wrote:

    > This Office version does seem to come with Outlook, so, does it make
    > sense for me to have my kid download that instead?


    You're still off-topic in alt.comp.freeware. Go away.

    --
    s|b
     
    s|b, Sep 19, 2013
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  18. jan

    Danny D. Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    VanguardLH wrote:

    > Microsoft does has *backup* copies you can download. The OP gave the web
    > page where you go. It is Microsoft. ...
    > You will need a valid license (product key) to install


    This is technically true, but, in practice, you *can* get office for free.
    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3803/9806260394_ccd715d344_o.gif

    A while ago, I called Dell to ask for the backup CDROMs and
    Dell sent me the operating system and drivers but not Office 2010 H&S.

    Calling Microsoft at their special "Supplemental & Replacement Parts"
    number (800-360-7561, x3, x2) they kindly FedEx'd overnight a full retail
    version of Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Student backup CDROM, for free,
    (as my Dell never came with the computer).

    I had to fax them a detailed receipt, showing that Microsoft Office
    had initially been installed when I bought the PC; but that was all
    I had to prove (other than the OEM product ID off the software, as
    they wouldn't take a product key).
     
    Danny D., Sep 19, 2013
    #38
  19. jan

    jan Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:24:49 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    > Your kid will need a 2003 product key to match up
    > with the downloaded 2003 installer. Does he have one?


    We have both.

    I had installed the software so long ago, that I was mistaken
    about the version.

    I assumed it was 2007 but it was 2003. So both are in my possession,
    and he downloaded both. He has since installed the 2003 and there have
    been no problems.

    I didn't have to send him the CD itself; just the key.
     
    jan, Sep 19, 2013
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  20. jan

    jan Guest

    Re: Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Whynot?)

    On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:57:55 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

    > You are correct, FTR .... but if I had actually said that, Jan's interest
    > may not have been piqued! ;-)


    Is the implication that, without Microsoft serving the newsfeed,
    that the outlook ng would die?

    Because it sure does seem to be dead, if living.

    It's sort of like a non-responsive zombie newsgroup.
     
    jan, Sep 19, 2013
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