G
Gerry Rudolf
Dear Beth!
I apologize for having been impolite. I appreciate the
time you invested into it. Now I have spent an hour to
describe exactly the steps it takes to make you see what I
am referring to. I hope that this will work out for you.
Please let me know about your results. This issue I had,
as far as I remember, since Word 6.0, but maybe even
before that.
Document setup:
- letter size, portrait
- print layout view
- margins: 15 mm left and right, 20 mm top and bottom;
header & footer at 12.7 mm
- Font/Font Size: Times New Roman 10 pts
- Line spacing: exact 11.6 pt
- Space between paragraphs: none
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Create new document as described above for the sake of
demonstration (though any other document size or font type
and size as well as line spacing will do, too.)
2. Type "excths " and copy it repeatedly in blocks of 100,
blocks separated by hard paragraph breaks, until a little
over a page is produced. (Any other text will do, too.)
3. document rendered as two columns with 5 mm spacing in
between for demonstration purpose (any other spacing will
do, too, also three column or even single column
rendering, provided table reaches from the right into
paragraph with left indentation, see below).
4. insert a paragraph return after the first paragraph on
first page
5. mark this paragraph break sign, convert it to table
with presets, resulting in a single-cell table 94.2 mm
wide, 3.8 mm Space between columns, border ½ pt single
stroke solid. (Any other table will do, as long as it is
considerably less wide than the text area)
6. change height of cell to exactly 100 pt; width to 120 mm
7. mark entire table
8a. turn table into a floating frame and arrange floating
table at: Horizontal Position = left from Margin, Vertical
Position = Bottom from Margin.
8b. Or alternatively, table can be dragged on the four-
arrow-handle at the top left to make it floating at the
lower left corner of the text area, or Table/Table
Properties/Positioning is set to the above 8a. values. The
result will be the same.
9. change paragraph formatting of last(!) paragraph on
first page to "Left Indentation = 10 mm" = 38 px
10. Result: The left indentation is rendered properly at
areas of the paragraph, were no floating table intrudes
from the right, but it disappears to the right of the
table. The distance between the text and the table is
defined by the horizontal (right) margin of the floating
frame/table positioning. If that is reset to zero, the
text will start right next to the table.
11. place cursor at beginning of last line on first page.
Now move with arrow-right key to the right. The cursor
will vanish well before the last "excths", as this is
already supposed to be rendered on the next page
12. Mark first "excths" on the second page.
13. Switch to normal view. Scroll a little upward without
moving the cursor in order to be able to see two lines
above the marked "excths"
14. Note that now two "excths" are marked!
15. Move the cursor: The first marking disappears (where
the real cursor is), the second does only after a repaint.
16 Move back to the once properly marked "excths," mark
it, and change its text color to red and leave the word
marked.
17 Switch back to Print layout view without moving the cur-
sor.
18. Note that you have two marked, red words, one on each
page.
19. move the cursor twice to the right with the arrow-
right key, then press "Home" to go to the beginning of the
last line on the first page.
20 . Now try to move to the red word on this last line of
the first page an try to mark it by keeping the shift key
pressed and moving with the arrow keys.
Have Fun!
This happens ALWAYS. No matter which document setup, font
style, size, columns, or what have you, no matter if
frames, floating tables or other objects. The only
prerequisite is that a floating object needs to intrude
from the right into the column of a paragraph that is
supposed to have a left indentation. Even floating
pictures, wordart, cliparts have these effect. Try it! It
can make you nuts to figure out which word belongs on
which line and on which page, and it sure drives Word
nuts, as under certain circumstances the line and page
breaks are unstable.
I apologize for having been impolite. I appreciate the
time you invested into it. Now I have spent an hour to
describe exactly the steps it takes to make you see what I
am referring to. I hope that this will work out for you.
Please let me know about your results. This issue I had,
as far as I remember, since Word 6.0, but maybe even
before that.
Document setup:
- letter size, portrait
- print layout view
- margins: 15 mm left and right, 20 mm top and bottom;
header & footer at 12.7 mm
- Font/Font Size: Times New Roman 10 pts
- Line spacing: exact 11.6 pt
- Space between paragraphs: none
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Create new document as described above for the sake of
demonstration (though any other document size or font type
and size as well as line spacing will do, too.)
2. Type "excths " and copy it repeatedly in blocks of 100,
blocks separated by hard paragraph breaks, until a little
over a page is produced. (Any other text will do, too.)
3. document rendered as two columns with 5 mm spacing in
between for demonstration purpose (any other spacing will
do, too, also three column or even single column
rendering, provided table reaches from the right into
paragraph with left indentation, see below).
4. insert a paragraph return after the first paragraph on
first page
5. mark this paragraph break sign, convert it to table
with presets, resulting in a single-cell table 94.2 mm
wide, 3.8 mm Space between columns, border ½ pt single
stroke solid. (Any other table will do, as long as it is
considerably less wide than the text area)
6. change height of cell to exactly 100 pt; width to 120 mm
7. mark entire table
8a. turn table into a floating frame and arrange floating
table at: Horizontal Position = left from Margin, Vertical
Position = Bottom from Margin.
8b. Or alternatively, table can be dragged on the four-
arrow-handle at the top left to make it floating at the
lower left corner of the text area, or Table/Table
Properties/Positioning is set to the above 8a. values. The
result will be the same.
9. change paragraph formatting of last(!) paragraph on
first page to "Left Indentation = 10 mm" = 38 px
10. Result: The left indentation is rendered properly at
areas of the paragraph, were no floating table intrudes
from the right, but it disappears to the right of the
table. The distance between the text and the table is
defined by the horizontal (right) margin of the floating
frame/table positioning. If that is reset to zero, the
text will start right next to the table.
11. place cursor at beginning of last line on first page.
Now move with arrow-right key to the right. The cursor
will vanish well before the last "excths", as this is
already supposed to be rendered on the next page
12. Mark first "excths" on the second page.
13. Switch to normal view. Scroll a little upward without
moving the cursor in order to be able to see two lines
above the marked "excths"
14. Note that now two "excths" are marked!
15. Move the cursor: The first marking disappears (where
the real cursor is), the second does only after a repaint.
16 Move back to the once properly marked "excths," mark
it, and change its text color to red and leave the word
marked.
17 Switch back to Print layout view without moving the cur-
sor.
18. Note that you have two marked, red words, one on each
page.
19. move the cursor twice to the right with the arrow-
right key, then press "Home" to go to the beginning of the
last line on the first page.
20 . Now try to move to the red word on this last line of
the first page an try to mark it by keeping the shift key
pressed and moving with the arrow keys.
Have Fun!
This happens ALWAYS. No matter which document setup, font
style, size, columns, or what have you, no matter if
frames, floating tables or other objects. The only
prerequisite is that a floating object needs to intrude
from the right into the column of a paragraph that is
supposed to have a left indentation. Even floating
pictures, wordart, cliparts have these effect. Try it! It
can make you nuts to figure out which word belongs on
which line and on which page, and it sure drives Word
nuts, as under certain circumstances the line and page
breaks are unstable.
