Graphics printing in front of text

[Corey Klemow]

Hi - I'm having trouble with graphics that are set to be behind text in
Word 2000 printing in front of the text.

I tried this advice I found on this newsgroup:

"In Word, try turning off background printing in Tools | Options |
Print. In Windows, try turning off printing spooling and/or advanced
text services in Start | Control Panel | Printers | <right-click on
your printer> | Properties."

But it doesn't work. I also found an old post from 2001 referring
people here for a step-by-step solution:

http://support.microsoft.com/?ID=kb;;Q211354

....but that URL don't work no more.

The problem happens whether I am printing to my printer (an Epson
Stylus Photo 820) or to a PDF (I use PDF995, but I also downloaded the
Acrobat 7.0 Tryout and that didn't work any better).

Any help appreciated. Thanks!

 

[Corey Klemow]

And if this info helps any... my operating system is Windows XP.

 

[garfield-n-odie]

Don't think it applies to your situation, but try
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211354 .

 

[timtak]

Dear Corey Klemow

I am having exactly the same problem on a couple of recently created
word documents.

I have created loads of documents with the images behind the text but
this problem has occured twice recently.

The problem does NOT show up in the WYSIWYG prieve and print layout views,
only when I print. This seems to be the same as you.

Do you think that a recent update from microsoft may have caused a bug?
It is strange that two people are having the same strange problem at the
same time.

Please forgive me for cross posting that which I sent to the general
problems discussion earlier today.
QUOTE
When you want text to follow the edge of an isolated .jpg image
then the 'follow edge' selection in word (in the image properties)
will not work. I think that it only works for gif images with transparent
backgrounds.

To get around this, I put the image beneath the text
then draw a line in freehand around the image. I then set the
properties of the shape made by the freehand line to follow edge,
transpartent, transparent line. This technique has always worked
for me in the past. Here is an example (the image and text are
copyright)

http://tim.econo.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp/temp/B_Anti_convenience_stores.doc

However, just recently I have found that a couple of images/pages
display fine (with the text following the outline of the image) but
when I go to print them, the text is being obscured by the image.

(Image and text copyright)
http://tim.econo.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp/temp/B_Club_Activities.doc

Please, please tell me why!

END OF QUOTE

 

[Corey Klemow]

Don't think it applies to your situation, but try

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211354

Thanks. Although it didn't quite apply to my situation, it at least
gave me an idea for a workaround that helped. I tried reversing the
structure of the page; I made the graphic in-line, and put the text in
a text box in front of the graphic. That worked.

It doesn't solve the actual problem but at least there's a reasonable
way around it. (Though of course it'd still be nice to know how to
*actually* fix it.)

Thanks again.

 

[Corey Klemow]

The problem does NOT show up in the WYSIWYG prieve and print layout views,

only when I print. This seems to be the same as you.

Yup. That's the exact same problem I'm having.

Do you think that a recent update from microsoft may have caused a bug?
It is strange that two people are having the same strange problem at the
same time.

It's certainly possible. Wouldn't be the first time a Microsoft update
has had unintended consequences...

 

[timtak]

I have uploaded a scan of the above document to show what
the print out looks like
http://tim.econo.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp/temp/Scan.jpg
and this is the file
http://tim.econo.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp/temp/B_Club_Activities.doc

How are you getting around the problem?

I may have to cut out the image and paste it (with glue)
on the page.

The text is tight wrapping to the freehand shape i made as
can be seen here
http://tim.econo.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp/temp/test3.doc

The problem occurs with just the image and the text
http://tim.econo.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp/temp/test4.doc

Tim

 

[Corey Klemow]

I don't think my solution will work for you... I am not trying to wrap
text around the edge of an irregular shape. I didn't even know that
was possible! (I just tried to figure out where the "follow edge"
command is, but I can't find it... where is it?)

I was going to suggest making your graphic inline, putting the text in
a transparent text box, and then drawing your invisible freehand shape
*inside the text box*... but that doesn't seem to be possible. The
freehand shape seems to exist independently of any text box; it floats
over the box, or under it, but I can't seem to get it *inside* the box.
Dangit all.

 

[timtak]

Thanks for the idea Corey.

Based on your idea, I found a workaround - I put the image
in the header.

I often use that method when things start jumping around
as they are inclined to do when one uses word for layout.

Thanks again,

If you work out the root cause of the problem please let
us know.

Tim

 

[timtak]

Corey

Sorry, I missed your question.

The follow edge is called "tight wrap" apparently, and is one
of the settings in the layout tab of the image properties.

It is no good setting tight wrap on jpgs, or on grouped images,
but it works on hand drawn shapes and gifs with transparent
backgrounds. Again select images properties, and then layou
and then select the little image of the dog where the lines of
text are going to meet the dog's rear.

Tim

 

[timtak]

Corey

John from the Yahoo Groups MS Word cured the problem using
right click on the image, order -> send behind text!

That is strange.

It seems that the image properties, layout tab, dog-behind-text
option shows the image behind the text in the WYSIWYG screen
but, perhaps we changed the order using right click by mistake,
and it is the right click order which controls the order sent to
the printer? The two methods of setting order do not seem to
be in sync? One would think that both have the same effect
(i.e using right click to put an image behind text, would put the
dog behind the text in the layout tab of image properties and
vice versa) but this does not seem to be the case.

Please try it with your file.

Tim