html changes not showing

[Hendrix]

On my first page I've tried to alter some of the html inserts. Not only do
the changes not "take" but the page seems to go in to "protection" and only
accepts text changes. My other four pages do accept changes. The changes I
referenced do not show in preview or when published. I think there might be
something to erasing the old code, which I think I have done but maybe I'm
missing something. Similar problem was addressed around 2/1/07 but he didn't
explain the fix he found.

 

[Hendrix]

The site: www.ohiosgolf.com I'm speaking about the lack of images just below
my "header"

 

[Hendrix]

If I add a shape it shows up on the page in question. I inserted a new page
(with no copying) and it accepted html. I inserted a duplicate page of the
one in question and i did not accept html.???????????

 

[Hendrix]

WOW. People use Google search because they pay us to use it. I'm aware of
the refresh situation. Thanks, but you provided no help at all, but don't
take it personal.

 

[DavidF]

All the images eventually load, but not the first time I tried it. After
waiting more than 10 minutes for the page to load I walked away from my
computer. When I came back most of the images had loaded but not all. I
refreshed the page and after another 5 minutes or so, I got all your images.
The problem is the size of your images...they are waaaay too big.

Ideally you will size and optimize your images in a third party program
before inserting them into your Publisher publication. In lieu of that you
at least need to compress them. Reference: Compress graphics file sizes to
create smaller Publisher Web pages:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx

As per Mike's comments, he viewed your site in FireFox and I viewed your
site in IE6, and FF. It does not work well at all in FF. It seems that you
have taken basically a print document and converted it to a web page. As
Mike said it is too wide. You should be using the default 760 pixel
width....or at least less than 800. Also, you do have a bit much on the home
page. Your goal should be to get the page lean and quick loading, and
leading into the content of your site. Think about using 12 point fonts in
the text boxes and perhaps introductory comments rather than the whole
story, and then link to the whole story. Also, the more images that you use,
the slower the page will be to download, and the more people that will just
move on out of impatience. And don't forget that a little white space is a
good thing. Think of the Google home page...and how fast it loads. Here is a
link to a tool to test the load time:
http://www.echoecho.com/toolhtmlinspector.htm

I also think that part of the reason the page didn't load well in FF is that
you have layered so many things with your images and your navbar, that FF is
left confused. You will probably need to simplify your design to get it to
work in FF. Also don't forget to run the design checker tool. It will help
you identify other potential problems. And finally, before you produce new
html output, go to Tools > Options > Web tab and uncheck "Rely on VML.." and
"Allow PNG...". This will also reduce the size of your final html output.

I am also curious why you chose index2.htm instead of the default
index.htm???

Don't feel too bad, and don't take Mike's comments or mine out of context.
They are meant to help you. What is hard for a beginner to web design is to
let go of print document design principles. You don't design a web site in
the same way. The good news is that you have made lots of progress and have
your content developed, and when you get things organized differently, you
site should be just fine. Please don't hesitate to post back and we will try
to help you with specifics. We promise to be nice ;-)

Here is reference that might help.:Your complete guide to web design:
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/
Although he isn't talking about Publisher, I think he does a pretty good job
in discussing some of the basic principles and I felt it well worth my time
to read. Opinions may vary...

DavidF

 

[Mike Koewler]

First, be sure to refresh your page if you want to see changes. Most
times, your browser keeps a copy of the page in its cache and will
display it, even if it has changed. Use Ctr/F5 to forced it to load the
newest version.

Not sure why your images are not showing. They are being referenced as
being in index2_files/ and that exists. Perhaps it is a "Pub" thing."

I wouldn't take this personally, but in all honesty, your site looks
like crap. Small text, needs scroll bars to view at 800x600 resolution,
a search bar that is in the middle of text. (Why do people use a Google
Search on their site? It searches the entire Net, not just a site. The
results "always" seem to take the visitor away to a different site.) The
text is butted up so tight to the left-hand side of the page that it is
not inviting to read. Not to mention that you are trying to slay
visitors with stuff they probably don't care about - like who designed
it, why and how.

Keep your Home Page simple.
What
Where
How to contact

Of course, YMMV.

Mike

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Take a look at your site in FireFox.






| WOW. People use Google search because they pay us to use it. I'm aware
of
| the refresh situation. Thanks, but you provided no help at all, but don't
| take it personal.
|
| "Mike Koewler" wrote:
|
| > First, be sure to refresh your page if you want to see changes. Most
| > times, your browser keeps a copy of the page in its cache and will
| > display it, even if it has changed. Use Ctr/F5 to forced it to load the
| > newest version.
| >
| > Not sure why your images are not showing. They are being referenced as
| > being in index2_files/ and that exists. Perhaps it is a "Pub" thing."
| >
| > I wouldn't take this personally, but in all honesty, your site looks
| > like crap. Small text, needs scroll bars to view at 800x600 resolution,
| > a search bar that is in the middle of text. (Why do people use a Google
| > Search on their site? It searches the entire Net, not just a site. The
| > results "always" seem to take the visitor away to a different site.) The
| > text is butted up so tight to the left-hand side of the page that it is
| > not inviting to read. Not to mention that you are trying to slay
| > visitors with stuff they probably don't care about - like who designed
| > it, why and how.
| >
| > Keep your Home Page simple.
| > What
| > Where
| > How to contact
| >
| > Of course, YMMV.
| >
| > Mike
| >

 

[Mike Koewler]

I don't take it personal. I tried to help, but I'm not an expert at
how Publisher creates web pages. But I do know - from visiting thousands
of pages, what is easy to read, what makes people want to stay or leave.

My impression was that you did a page for a relatively new golf course,
one that people might want to learn more about. If I was doing that, I
would try to entice people by doing something other than a story about
the designers. But that's just my opinion.

BTW, there is nothing wrong with looking at other sites that have the
same goal (or par!) as what you are trying to accomplish, and using
things you like. I think every web designer except for the early
pioneers have done that.

I also probably need to add this: no matter how good or bad you are at
web design, people will find things that will help improve your site.
You can evaluate their thoughts and see if it makes sense or not.

IME, people who suggest changes do not do it out of animosity or to hurt
feelings (though that sometimes happens). It's your site - how it will
look is completely up to you.

Mike

 

[John G]

Computers usually do what YOU tell them not what you thought you told
them.

Just be a little patient and listen those who have been there and done
that.

Frankly if you just jumped in to publish all that stuff without trying a
simple site and growing it gently you deserve all you get.

Please get rid of the google bit it does nothing for you site.

It will have to be somewhat simpler to work in FireFox. but then you
should have the default viewer( IEx) and at least Fire Fox and Opra
installed for testing before you publish and expect a good outcome.

 

[Hendrix]

Let's get back to my original problem first What's preventing me from
loading new html on to the home page?

 

[Hendrix]

I ran the compression, thanks. On the font size..I looked at several
websites and copied their text, took them ms word to disect. Lots came back
at around 8.3 verdana, 8.5, 8.7 These are other similar golf sites. So I
went with the same sizing. On the firefox issues, I've known about this for
about a week (we've only been up for about 2 weeks) If I unclick the vml?
Will this fix some of this? Still having the initial problem.

 

[Hendrix]

Unbelievable...I took the vml off and it les me add html now. Please
remember this for future questions. Right now I'm at "wesern european"
Should I go to unicode to help with firefox?

 

[Hendrix]

Could you take a look again in FF. Wondering if changing from western
european to unicode will help. I've compressed and optimized pictures. I've
known we have a firefox problem but all of our money currently goes to the
print side of project (We're a golf newspaper) I hope in a few months we'll
be able to hire a web developement company.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

It's still messed up in FF.
If you're gonna go with a web designer, I'd not spend too awful much time
designing it in Publisher now..since it will all have to be redone later.
Publisher's code is not convertable.



| Could you take a look again in FF. Wondering if changing from western
| european to unicode will help. I've compressed and optimized pictures.
I've
| known we have a firefox problem but all of our money currently goes to the
| print side of project (We're a golf newspaper) I hope in a few months
we'll
| be able to hire a web developement company.
|
| "Mike Koewler" wrote:
|
| > I don't take it personal. I tried to help, but I'm not an expert at
| > how Publisher creates web pages. But I do know - from visiting thousands
| > of pages, what is easy to read, what makes people want to stay or leave.
| >
| > My impression was that you did a page for a relatively new golf course,
| > one that people might want to learn more about. If I was doing that, I
| > would try to entice people by doing something other than a story about
| > the designers. But that's just my opinion.
| >
| > BTW, there is nothing wrong with looking at other sites that have the
| > same goal (or par!) as what you are trying to accomplish, and using
| > things you like. I think every web designer except for the early
| > pioneers have done that.
| >
| > I also probably need to add this: no matter how good or bad you are at
| > web design, people will find things that will help improve your site.
| > You can evaluate their thoughts and see if it makes sense or not.
| >
| > IME, people who suggest changes do not do it out of animosity or to hurt
| > feelings (though that sometimes happens). It's your site - how it will
| > look is completely up to you.
| >
| > Mike
| >
| > Hendrix wrote:
| > > WOW. People use Google search because they pay us to use it. I'm
aware of
| > > the refresh situation. Thanks, but you provided no help at all, but
don't
| > > take it personal.
| > >
| > > "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| > >
| > >
| > >>First, be sure to refresh your page if you want to see changes. Most
| > >>times, your browser keeps a copy of the page in its cache and will
| > >>display it, even if it has changed. Use Ctr/F5 to forced it to load
the
| > >>newest version.
| > >>
| > >>Not sure why your images are not showing. They are being referenced as
| > >>being in index2_files/ and that exists. Perhaps it is a "Pub" thing."
| > >>
| > >>I wouldn't take this personally, but in all honesty, your site looks
| > >>like crap. Small text, needs scroll bars to view at 800x600
resolution,
| > >>a search bar that is in the middle of text. (Why do people use a
Google
| > >>Search on their site? It searches the entire Net, not just a site. The
| > >>results "always" seem to take the visitor away to a different site.)
The
| > >>text is butted up so tight to the left-hand side of the page that it
is
| > >>not inviting to read. Not to mention that you are trying to slay
| > >>visitors with stuff they probably don't care about - like who designed
| > >>it, why and how.
| > >>
| > >>Keep your Home Page simple.
| > >>What
| > >>Where
| > >>How to contact
| > >>
| > >>Of course, YMMV.
| > >>
| > >>Mike
| > >>
| >

 

[DavidF]

Test it yourself. You can't rely on others. Go to
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ and download and save the FF program
to your computer. Then install it, but during the installation you will be
given the option of making FF your default browser. Choose no for now.

Publish to the Web to a folder on your computer where you can find the
HTML output. Open FF, go to File > Open File and browse to that folder, and
double click the index.htm file.

As per the font size, do what you want, but think about your target market.
Do they have young enough eyes to read the font size you are using? Just
because another golf site uses small fonts and didn't consider the target
market doesn't mean you should. In my experience that is one of the problems
young web developers have...they don't know what its like to look at the
world through bi-focal eyes, and to strain to read tiny font size text.

DavidF

 

[Hendrix]

Tried to install firefox, can't seem to get to go. It installed and it's on
the desktop, etc. but when I open it I can't get it to go to a website. What
were your thoughts on unicode vs. wesern eurpean?

 

[Mike Koewler]

It's looking better, but there are still some things out of place.

You may have a far, far worse problem than that, though. When I click on
view source, two frames come up One of them is About:Blank, a nasty
virus that can direct people to porn sites and others. Take a look at
this thread related to A:B
http://www.serif.com/forum/ViewThread.asp?Thread=28537&Numb=15

Mike

 

[Mike Koewler]

UTF is sometimes rejected by older browsers. The W3C Compliance check
throws up warnings about its use. It really shouldn't have any
repercussions for the vast majority of viewers.

Mike

 

[AlinX]

My friend... please do try to use a web design company for this jobs!
It would be much to complicated to explain this, because it seems that
your lack of computer knowledge it is a killer.
I wish you good luck!