Installing Publisher on 2 machines

[kaldon]

I have Publisher 2002 installed on my desktop. I recently purchased a new
laptop so I can work away form home (I'm retired.) Can I install my Publisher
on my laptop or do I have to go out and buy a new one! (Expensive for my
modest needs)

Thanks

Don

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

It depends on how you acquired the one license you do have.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

That's not a technical violation unless you've kept, and are still using
every machine you ever installed it on.


| kaldon wrote:
| > I have Publisher 2002 installed on my desktop. I recently purchased a
new
| > laptop so I can work away form home (I'm retired.) Can I install my
Publisher
| > on my laptop or do I have to go out and buy a new one! (Expensive for my
| > modest needs)
| >
| > Thanks
| >
| > Don
|
| fwiw,
|
| I've been using pub since... 95? if not earlier...
|
| and I've installed it on every puter since then, sue me
|
| I bought it, it's mine...
|
| fwiw
|

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

Ah - but if you read the EULA, you'll see that you agreed to:

3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not
expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by
copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or
its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property
rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold. This EULA does
not grant you any rights to trademarks or service marks of Microsoft.

Seems to me if you tried to charge tehm storage fees for a product that you
put on your property, then the following would p[robably apply:

15. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft may
terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of
this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the Software and
all of its component parts.

Nice try, Don, but I suspect it wouldn't work. ;-)

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

It proves it in a way but it could also be said that purchasing it in the
first place is an unspoken agreement to store it without charge. No one
twisted your arm to hand over the money (even tho some will disagree with me
there).

Perhaps instead of a purchase, it should be thought of as an open-ended
rental contract with a one-time payment?

It amazes me how many people aren't even aware that they don't really own
their software. And how many people don't read the EULA to know what rights
they have and what rights they are signing over. It's all in the fine
print...that you can make larger with the zoom button.
--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

JoAnn, you make my point; Microsoft retains the ownership but is storing
their software (CD, manual, misc papers and box) in my home or other place
of ownership. And it seems only fair Microsoft should compensate you for
storing their materials. And even if MS demands you destroy the materials
by MS contractual demands, they retain the ownership of said materials
should pay for the rental space for the destroyed materials or contract
the Donald Schmidt Transfer company to move said materials to the MS site.
We're kind of like the Loreal Company, "We're expensive, but we're worth
it." Come to think about it, shouldn't one be compensated for
transporting MS software from the store to my home when first making the
purchase of the USE of said MS software? The whole thing doesn't conform
to "Mom, Apple Pie and the American way of life."

--
Don
"May your shadow be found in happy places." (Native North American)

Ah - but if you read the EULA, you'll see that you agreed to:

3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not
expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by
copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or
its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property
rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold. This EULA
does not grant you any rights to trademarks or service marks of
Microsoft.

Seems to me if you tried to charge tehm storage fees for a product that
you put on your property, then the following would p[robably apply:

15. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft may
terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions
of this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the Software
and all of its component parts.

Nice try, Don, but I suspect it wouldn't work. ;-)
--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

I don't think one buys software; you buy the right to use the software.
Microsoft retains the ownership rights.

If this is true, then the individual who buys the software rights to use
it, and has the software on his/her property, should by law have the
right to charge Microsoft storage fees. (Unless of course it is stated
in the license the right to charge storage fees is waived by the
purchaser)

Don
Practicing law since they closed the cell door.


kaldon wrote:
I have Publisher 2002 installed on my desktop. I recently purchased a
new laptop so I can work away form home (I'm retired.) Can I install
my Publisher on my laptop or do I have to go out and buy a new one!
(Expensive for my modest needs)

Thanks

Don

fwiw,

I've been using pub since... 95? if not earlier...

and I've installed it on every puter since then, sue me

I bought it, it's mine...

fwiw

 

[Ed Bennett]

I bought it, it's mine...

You bought the physical media (box, manual, CD, etc.) and a license to
use Publisher. When you installed it for the first time, you agreed to
the License Agreement.

If you had actually BOUGHT Publisher in the sense you use, then
Microsoft would no longer own it, and no one else could get it. That
wouldn't be very nice on the thousands of other Publisher customers
who've bought Publisher since, would it?

Although I doubt Microsoft will sue over a product discontinued a decade
ago...

 

[Mike Koewler]

They'll pry my software from my cold, dead hands!

I like Serif's policy - if I own say PagePlus10 and buy PP11 - at an
upgrade price, I can give away or even sell PP10, provided I remove it
from my computer.

From what I understand, I still (technically) need to have the Windows
3.0 disks since every version of the program I have bought is an upgrade
from a previous version. Fortunately, Mr. Gates has come into a little
extra money and may not care if I though out the Win 95 and Win 98 CDs.

Mike

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

So, like if, you rent a rental car you should be able to charge the rental
company for storage? Sheesh.




| JoAnn, you make my point; Microsoft retains the ownership but is storing
| their software (CD, manual, misc papers and box) in my home or other place
| of ownership. And it seems only fair Microsoft should compensate you for
| storing their materials. And even if MS demands you destroy the materials
| by MS contractual demands, they retain the ownership of said materials
| should pay for the rental space for the destroyed materials or contract
the
| Donald Schmidt Transfer company to move said materials to the MS site.
| We're kind of like the Loreal Company, "We're expensive, but we're worth
| it." Come to think about it, shouldn't one be compensated for
transporting
| MS software from the store to my home when first making the purchase of
the
| USE of said MS software? The whole thing doesn't conform to "Mom, Apple
Pie
| and the American way of life."
|
| --
| Don
| "May your shadow be found in happy places." (Native North American)
|
|
| | > Ah - but if you read the EULA, you'll see that you agreed to:
| >
| > 3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights
not
| > expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by
| > copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft
or
| > its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property
| > rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold. This EULA
does
| > not grant you any rights to trademarks or service marks of Microsoft.
| >
| > Seems to me if you tried to charge tehm storage fees for a product that
| > you put on your property, then the following would p[robably apply:
| >
| > 15. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft may
| > terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions
of
| > this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the Software
and
| > all of its component parts.
| >
| > Nice try, Don, but I suspect it wouldn't work. ;-)
| > --
| >
| > JoAnn Paules
| > MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
| >
| >
| >
| > | >>I don't think one buys software; you buy the right to use the software.
| >>Microsoft retains the ownership rights.
| >>
| >> If this is true, then the individual who buys the software rights to
use
| >> it, and has the software on his/her property, should by law have the
| >> right to charge Microsoft storage fees. (Unless of course it is stated
in
| >> the license the right to charge storage fees is waived by the
purchaser)
| >>
| >> Don
| >> Practicing law since they closed the cell door.
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> kaldon wrote:
| >>>> I have Publisher 2002 installed on my desktop. I recently purchased a
| >>>> new laptop so I can work away form home (I'm retired.) Can I install
my
| >>>> Publisher on my laptop or do I have to go out and buy a new one!
| >>>> (Expensive for my modest needs)
| >>>>
| >>>> Thanks
| >>>>
| >>>> Don
| >>>
| >>> fwiw,
| >>>
| >>> I've been using pub since... 95? if not earlier...
| >>>
| >>> and I've installed it on every puter since then, sue me
| >>>
| >>> I bought it, it's mine...
| >>>
| >>> fwiw
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

It wouldn't be a violation anyway unless he was still using it on all those
old machines.


| Steve in NC wrote:
| > I bought it, it's mine...
|
| You bought the physical media (box, manual, CD, etc.) and a license to
| use Publisher. When you installed it for the first time, you agreed to
| the License Agreement.
|
| If you had actually BOUGHT Publisher in the sense you use, then
| Microsoft would no longer own it, and no one else could get it. That
| wouldn't be very nice on the thousands of other Publisher customers
| who've bought Publisher since, would it?
|
| Although I doubt Microsoft will sue over a product discontinued a decade
| ago...
|
| --
| Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
| http://ed.mvps.org/

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

Some software upgrades aren't really upgrades. They are full versions at a
sale price. Office knows better. I'm actually okay with that.

And they don't pry it out silly. They make you destroy it yourself. ;-)

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

Excellent example.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

So, like if, you rent a rental car you should be able to charge the rental
company for storage? Sheesh.




| JoAnn, you make my point; Microsoft retains the ownership but is storing
| their software (CD, manual, misc papers and box) in my home or other
place
| of ownership. And it seems only fair Microsoft should compensate you
for
| storing their materials. And even if MS demands you destroy the
materials
| by MS contractual demands, they retain the ownership of said materials
| should pay for the rental space for the destroyed materials or contract
the
| Donald Schmidt Transfer company to move said materials to the MS site.
| We're kind of like the Loreal Company, "We're expensive, but we're worth
| it." Come to think about it, shouldn't one be compensated for
transporting
| MS software from the store to my home when first making the purchase of
the
| USE of said MS software? The whole thing doesn't conform to "Mom, Apple
Pie
| and the American way of life."
|
| --
| Don
| "May your shadow be found in happy places." (Native North American)
|
|
| | > Ah - but if you read the EULA, you'll see that you agreed to:
| >
| > 3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights
not
| > expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by
| > copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft
or
| > its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual
property
| > rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold. This EULA
does
| > not grant you any rights to trademarks or service marks of Microsoft.
| >
| > Seems to me if you tried to charge tehm storage fees for a product
that
| > you put on your property, then the following would p[robably apply:
| >
| > 15. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft may
| > terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and
conditions
of
| > this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the Software
and
| > all of its component parts.
| >
| > Nice try, Don, but I suspect it wouldn't work. ;-)
| > --
| >
| > JoAnn Paules
| > MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
| >
| >
| >
| > | >>I don't think one buys software; you buy the right to use the
software.
| >>Microsoft retains the ownership rights.
| >>
| >> If this is true, then the individual who buys the software rights to
use
| >> it, and has the software on his/her property, should by law have the
| >> right to charge Microsoft storage fees. (Unless of course it is
stated
in
| >> the license the right to charge storage fees is waived by the
purchaser)
| >>
| >> Don
| >> Practicing law since they closed the cell door.
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> kaldon wrote:
| >>>> I have Publisher 2002 installed on my desktop. I recently purchased
a
| >>>> new laptop so I can work away form home (I'm retired.) Can I
install
my
| >>>> Publisher on my laptop or do I have to go out and buy a new one!
| >>>> (Expensive for my modest needs)
| >>>>
| >>>> Thanks
| >>>>
| >>>> Don
| >>>
| >>> fwiw,
| >>>
| >>> I've been using pub since... 95? if not earlier...
| >>>
| >>> and I've installed it on every puter since then, sue me
| >>>
| >>> I bought it, it's mine...
| >>>
| >>> fwiw
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

i think they all are actually


| Some software upgrades aren't really upgrades. They are full versions at a
| sale price. Office knows better. I'm actually okay with that.
|
| And they don't pry it out silly. They make you destroy it yourself. ;-)
|
| --
|
| JoAnn Paules
| MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
|
|
|
| | > They'll pry my software from my cold, dead hands!
| >
| > I like Serif's policy - if I own say PagePlus10 and buy PP11 - at an
| > upgrade price, I can give away or even sell PP10, provided I remove it
| > from my computer.
| >
| > From what I understand, I still (technically) need to have the Windows
3.0
| > disks since every version of the program I have bought is an upgrade
from
| > a previous version. Fortunately, Mr. Gates has come into a little extra
| > money and may not care if I though out the Win 95 and Win 98 CDs.
| >
| > Mike
| >
| > JoAnn Paules [MVP] wrote:
| >> It proves it in a way but it could also be said that purchasing it in
the
| >> first place is an unspoken agreement to store it without charge. No one
| >> twisted your arm to hand over the money (even tho some will disagree
with
| >> me there).
| >>
| >> Perhaps instead of a purchase, it should be thought of as an open-ended
| >> rental contract with a one-time payment?
| >>
| >> It amazes me how many people aren't even aware that they don't really
own
| >> their software. And how many people don't read the EULA to know what
| >> rights they have and what rights they are signing over. It's all in the
| >> fine print...that you can make larger with the zoom button.
|
|

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Actually, I've been toying with the idea of giving away new cars for free,
but you must sign a 5 year agreement to buy gasoline only from me at $xxx.xx
a gallon.


| Excellent example.
|
| --
|
| JoAnn Paules
| MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
|
|
|
| | > So, like if, you rent a rental car you should be able to charge the
rental
| > company for storage? Sheesh.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | JoAnn, you make my point; Microsoft retains the ownership but is
storing
| > | their software (CD, manual, misc papers and box) in my home or other
| > place
| > | of ownership. And it seems only fair Microsoft should compensate you
| > for
| > | storing their materials. And even if MS demands you destroy the
| > materials
| > | by MS contractual demands, they retain the ownership of said materials
| > | should pay for the rental space for the destroyed materials or
contract
| > the
| > | Donald Schmidt Transfer company to move said materials to the MS site.
| > | We're kind of like the Loreal Company, "We're expensive, but we're
worth
| > | it." Come to think about it, shouldn't one be compensated for
| > transporting
| > | MS software from the store to my home when first making the purchase
of
| > the
| > | USE of said MS software? The whole thing doesn't conform to "Mom,
Apple
| > Pie
| > | and the American way of life."
| > |
| > | --
| > | Don
| > | "May your shadow be found in happy places." (Native North American)
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > Ah - but if you read the EULA, you'll see that you agreed to:
| > | >
| > | > 3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all
rights
| > not
| > | > expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by
| > | > copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties.
Microsoft
| > or
| > | > its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual
| > property
| > | > rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold. This
EULA
| > does
| > | > not grant you any rights to trademarks or service marks of
Microsoft.
| > | >
| > | > Seems to me if you tried to charge tehm storage fees for a product
| > that
| > | > you put on your property, then the following would p[robably apply:
| > | >
| > | > 15. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft
may
| > | > terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and
| > conditions
| > of
| > | > this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the
Software
| > and
| > | > all of its component parts.
| > | >
| > | > Nice try, Don, but I suspect it wouldn't work. ;-)
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > JoAnn Paules
| > | > MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >>I don't think one buys software; you buy the right to use the
| > software.
| > | >>Microsoft retains the ownership rights.
| > | >>
| > | >> If this is true, then the individual who buys the software rights
to
| > use
| > | >> it, and has the software on his/her property, should by law have
the
| > | >> right to charge Microsoft storage fees. (Unless of course it is
| > stated
| > in
| > | >> the license the right to charge storage fees is waived by the
| > purchaser)
| > | >>
| > | >> Don
| > | >> Practicing law since they closed the cell door.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> kaldon wrote:
| > | >>>> I have Publisher 2002 installed on my desktop. I recently
purchased
| > a
| > | >>>> new laptop so I can work away form home (I'm retired.) Can I
| > install
| > my
| > | >>>> Publisher on my laptop or do I have to go out and buy a new one!
| > | >>>> (Expensive for my modest needs)
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Thanks
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> Don
| > | >>>
| > | >>> fwiw,
| > | >>>
| > | >>> I've been using pub since... 95? if not earlier...
| > | >>>
| > | >>> and I've installed it on every puter since then, sue me
| > | >>>
| > | >>> I bought it, it's mine...
| > | >>>
| > | >>> fwiw
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Ed Bennett]

It wouldn't be a violation anyway unless he was still using it on all those
old machines.

Not necessarily all - even one. And even if he weren't still using it,
if he'd left it installed and given it to someone else, it would be a
violation.