Problems with lead time on seperate computer

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ET902

I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me say what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then make it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours ahead, using "pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on another computer it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes that 48 hours and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and schedules it from the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours in a day are both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 
J

Jim Aksel

try using eh ("elapsed hours") whereas h means work hours.
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DavidC

Hi,

What are the option settings for the calendar, are they the same? Does this
happen on the same project file or different files?

Regards

davidC
 
E

ET902

David and Jim, Thanks for the replies.

Using elapsed duration for the lead time fixes the problem, but I still
don't undertand why the differences between the two machines, or I guess it
would be the difference in the set up of Project on the two machines.'

I did check the options on all the calendars and they are the same.
 
S

Steve House

As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48 hours IS 6 days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine being set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show durations in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration hours" ie, working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task durations are
reckoned.
 
E

ET902

Thanks Steve. I have resolved myself to using eh and have given up worrying
about why the machines are showing different things. I have several different
task calendars and resource calendars and there is just a setting somewhere
that needs to be changed and I can't find it.
EH ALWAYS works, no matter the circumstance, it only makes sense...so that's
what I am going with.

As usual, you guys can set me straight. Thanks

Steve House said:
As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48 hours IS 6 days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine being set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show durations in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration hours" ie, working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task durations are
reckoned.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


ET902 said:
I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me say what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then make it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours ahead, using
"pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on another computer it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes that 48 hours
and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and schedules it from
the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours in a day are
both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 
S

Steve House

However using EH as your basic unit of scheduling ignores resource
availability, the differences between working time and non-working time
through the day, etc. IMHO using that approach virtually guarantees you end
up with an unworkable bogus schedule that has no relation to what is
realistically attainable. If task requires a painter paint 400 square feet
of wall and the rate he can apply paint is 10 square feet per hour, he has
to do 40 man-hours of work, period, end of story. The number of days on the
planner calendar on the wall that it takes him to do that depends on the
number of hours a day that he is physically present and able to work. His
working time calendar is crucial to the schedule - the elapsed time - number
of sunrises and sunsets between when he starts and when he ends - is totally
irrelevant to how long it will take him to do it. It'll take 40 hours of
working time to complete the task regardless of whether he works straight
through from Monday morning till early Wednesday morning or spends an hour a
day for 40 days. If the objective is to be able to tell the carpet guy when
the painter will be finished and out of the room so he can start to lay the
carpet, the painter's working time calendar and the amount of work painting
requires are the two values that actually give you that information.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


ET902 said:
Thanks Steve. I have resolved myself to using eh and have given up
worrying
about why the machines are showing different things. I have several
different
task calendars and resource calendars and there is just a setting
somewhere
that needs to be changed and I can't find it.
EH ALWAYS works, no matter the circumstance, it only makes sense...so
that's
what I am going with.

As usual, you guys can set me straight. Thanks

Steve House said:
As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48 hours IS 6
days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine being set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show durations in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration hours" ie,
working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded
non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task durations
are
reckoned.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


ET902 said:
I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me say what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then make it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours ahead, using
"pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on another computer
it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes that 48
hours
and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and schedules it from
the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours in a day are
both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 
E

ET902

Yes, I've got you.

Here is what I have: The Start of Task A is dependent on the start of Task
B. For this type of task I am normally given the date that Task B will start
(It's beyond our control). Also, for these tasks, Task A must start a certain
amount of time prior to the start of task B, we will say 24 hours. Task A and
the resource for task A is a 24 hour calendar. Task B and it's resource is a
Standard calendar. So to set the start of task A I assign Task B as Pred, SS,
-24 hours (Or -24eh). Since Task A and it's resource is a 24 hour calendar I
don't understand why on the other machine it doesn't come out that Task A
doesn't start 24 hours in advance of the start of task B, when on my machine
it works exactly like my mind thinks it should. So anyway, back to the lead
time using -eh, it is only setting the start time of task A, the elapsed
duration matches up to the task and resource calendar of Task A so I get the
correct amount of work.

Since I am using 24 hour task and reource calendar I still can't figure out
why it works at my desk but not the other one. But that's why I have settled
in on just using the eh as lead time.
Steve House said:
However using EH as your basic unit of scheduling ignores resource
availability, the differences between working time and non-working time
through the day, etc. IMHO using that approach virtually guarantees you end
up with an unworkable bogus schedule that has no relation to what is
realistically attainable. If task requires a painter paint 400 square feet
of wall and the rate he can apply paint is 10 square feet per hour, he has
to do 40 man-hours of work, period, end of story. The number of days on the
planner calendar on the wall that it takes him to do that depends on the
number of hours a day that he is physically present and able to work. His
working time calendar is crucial to the schedule - the elapsed time - number
of sunrises and sunsets between when he starts and when he ends - is totally
irrelevant to how long it will take him to do it. It'll take 40 hours of
working time to complete the task regardless of whether he works straight
through from Monday morning till early Wednesday morning or spends an hour a
day for 40 days. If the objective is to be able to tell the carpet guy when
the painter will be finished and out of the room so he can start to lay the
carpet, the painter's working time calendar and the amount of work painting
requires are the two values that actually give you that information.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


ET902 said:
Thanks Steve. I have resolved myself to using eh and have given up
worrying
about why the machines are showing different things. I have several
different
task calendars and resource calendars and there is just a setting
somewhere
that needs to be changed and I can't find it.
EH ALWAYS works, no matter the circumstance, it only makes sense...so
that's
what I am going with.

As usual, you guys can set me straight. Thanks

Steve House said:
As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48 hours IS 6
days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine being set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show durations in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration hours" ie,
working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded
non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task durations
are
reckoned.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me say what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then make it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours ahead, using
"pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on another computer
it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes that 48
hours
and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and schedules it from
the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours in a day are
both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 
S

Steve House

Sometimes I feel it's convenient to think of the predecessor as meaning
the "controlling task" while the successor is the "controlled task."
Predecessor and successor don't always mean "the first task and then the
second." In your case, the predecessor is actually Task B since it is
what controls the scheduling of Task A. I'd join them Start-Finish
where B's start is the predecessor to A's finish as the successor.


ET902 said:
Yes, I've got you.

Here is what I have: The Start of Task A is dependent on the start of Task
B. For this type of task I am normally given the date that Task B will start
(It's beyond our control). Also, for these tasks, Task A must start a certain
amount of time prior to the start of task B, we will say 24 hours. Task A and
the resource for task A is a 24 hour calendar. Task B and it's resource is a
Standard calendar. So to set the start of task A I assign Task B as Pred, SS,
-24 hours (Or -24eh). Since Task A and it's resource is a 24 hour calendar I
don't understand why on the other machine it doesn't come out that Task A
doesn't start 24 hours in advance of the start of task B, when on my machine
it works exactly like my mind thinks it should. So anyway, back to the lead
time using -eh, it is only setting the start time of task A, the elapsed
duration matches up to the task and resource calendar of Task A so I get the
correct amount of work.

Since I am using 24 hour task and reource calendar I still can't figure out
why it works at my desk but not the other one. But that's why I have settled
in on just using the eh as lead time.
Steve House said:
However using EH as your basic unit of scheduling ignores resource
availability, the differences between working time and non-working time
through the day, etc. IMHO using that approach virtually guarantees you end
up with an unworkable bogus schedule that has no relation to what is
realistically attainable. If task requires a painter paint 400 square feet
of wall and the rate he can apply paint is 10 square feet per hour, he has
to do 40 man-hours of work, period, end of story. The number of days on the
planner calendar on the wall that it takes him to do that depends on the
number of hours a day that he is physically present and able to work. His
working time calendar is crucial to the schedule - the elapsed time - number
of sunrises and sunsets between when he starts and when he ends - is totally
irrelevant to how long it will take him to do it. It'll take 40 hours of
working time to complete the task regardless of whether he works straight
through from Monday morning till early Wednesday morning or spends an hour a
day for 40 days. If the objective is to be able to tell the carpet guy when
the painter will be finished and out of the room so he can start to lay the
carpet, the painter's working time calendar and the amount of work painting
requires are the two values that actually give you that information.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


ET902 said:
Thanks Steve. I have resolved myself to using eh and have given up
worrying
about why the machines are showing different things. I have several
different
task calendars and resource calendars and there is just a setting
somewhere
that needs to be changed and I can't find it.
EH ALWAYS works, no matter the circumstance, it only makes sense...so
that's
what I am going with.

As usual, you guys can set me straight. Thanks

:

As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48 hours IS 6
days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine being set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show durations in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration hours" ie,
working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded
non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task durations
are
reckoned.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me say what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then make it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours ahead, using
"pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on another computer
it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes that 48
hours
and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and schedules it from
the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours in a day are
both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 
E

ET902

One wrinkle.. task a finish runs past the start of task b. In most of the
cases anyway Ha!


Steve House said:
Sometimes I feel it's convenient to think of the predecessor as meaning
the "controlling task" while the successor is the "controlled task."
Predecessor and successor don't always mean "the first task and then the
second." In your case, the predecessor is actually Task B since it is
what controls the scheduling of Task A. I'd join them Start-Finish
where B's start is the predecessor to A's finish as the successor.


ET902 said:
Yes, I've got you.

Here is what I have: The Start of Task A is dependent on the start of Task
B. For this type of task I am normally given the date that Task B will start
(It's beyond our control). Also, for these tasks, Task A must start a certain
amount of time prior to the start of task B, we will say 24 hours. Task A and
the resource for task A is a 24 hour calendar. Task B and it's resource is a
Standard calendar. So to set the start of task A I assign Task B as Pred, SS,
-24 hours (Or -24eh). Since Task A and it's resource is a 24 hour calendar I
don't understand why on the other machine it doesn't come out that Task A
doesn't start 24 hours in advance of the start of task B, when on my machine
it works exactly like my mind thinks it should. So anyway, back to the lead
time using -eh, it is only setting the start time of task A, the elapsed
duration matches up to the task and resource calendar of Task A so I get the
correct amount of work.

Since I am using 24 hour task and reource calendar I still can't figure out
why it works at my desk but not the other one. But that's why I have settled
in on just using the eh as lead time.
Steve House said:
However using EH as your basic unit of scheduling ignores resource
availability, the differences between working time and non-working time
through the day, etc. IMHO using that approach virtually guarantees you end
up with an unworkable bogus schedule that has no relation to what is
realistically attainable. If task requires a painter paint 400 square feet
of wall and the rate he can apply paint is 10 square feet per hour, he has
to do 40 man-hours of work, period, end of story. The number of days on the
planner calendar on the wall that it takes him to do that depends on the
number of hours a day that he is physically present and able to work. His
working time calendar is crucial to the schedule - the elapsed time - number
of sunrises and sunsets between when he starts and when he ends - is totally
irrelevant to how long it will take him to do it. It'll take 40 hours of
working time to complete the task regardless of whether he works straight
through from Monday morning till early Wednesday morning or spends an hour a
day for 40 days. If the objective is to be able to tell the carpet guy when
the painter will be finished and out of the room so he can start to lay the
carpet, the painter's working time calendar and the amount of work painting
requires are the two values that actually give you that information.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


Thanks Steve. I have resolved myself to using eh and have given up
worrying
about why the machines are showing different things. I have several
different
task calendars and resource calendars and there is just a setting
somewhere
that needs to be changed and I can't find it.
EH ALWAYS works, no matter the circumstance, it only makes sense...so
that's
what I am going with.

As usual, you guys can set me straight. Thanks

:

As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48 hours IS 6
days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine being set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show durations in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration hours" ie,
working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded
non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task durations
are
reckoned.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me say what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then make it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours ahead, using
"pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on another computer
it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes that 48
hours
and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and schedules it from
the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours in a day are
both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 
S

Steve House

In that case maybe Start Start with the lead time as you've done it.
But I would make B the predecessor none-the-less.
ET902 said:
One wrinkle.. task a finish runs past the start of task b. In most of the
cases anyway Ha!


Steve House said:
Sometimes I feel it's convenient to think of the predecessor as meaning
the "controlling task" while the successor is the "controlled task."
Predecessor and successor don't always mean "the first task and then the
second." In your case, the predecessor is actually Task B since it is
what controls the scheduling of Task A. I'd join them Start-Finish
where B's start is the predecessor to A's finish as the successor.


ET902 said:
Yes, I've got you.

Here is what I have: The Start of Task A is dependent on the start
of
Task
B. For this type of task I am normally given the date that Task B
will
start
(It's beyond our control). Also, for these tasks, Task A must
start a
certain
amount of time prior to the start of task B, we will say 24 hours. Task A and
the resource for task A is a 24 hour calendar. Task B and it's resource is a
Standard calendar. So to set the start of task A I assign Task B
as
Pred, SS,
-24 hours (Or -24eh). Since Task A and it's resource is a 24 hour calendar I
don't understand why on the other machine it doesn't come out that Task A
doesn't start 24 hours in advance of the start of task B, when on
my
machine
it works exactly like my mind thinks it should. So anyway, back to
the
lead
time using -eh, it is only setting the start time of task A, the elapsed
duration matches up to the task and resource calendar of Task A so
I
get the
correct amount of work.

Since I am using 24 hour task and reource calendar I still can't figure out
why it works at my desk but not the other one. But that's why I
have
settled
in on just using the eh as lead time.
:

However using EH as your basic unit of scheduling ignores resource
availability, the differences between working time and
non-working
time
through the day, etc. IMHO using that approach virtually
guarantees
you end
up with an unworkable bogus schedule that has no relation to what is
realistically attainable. If task requires a painter paint 400 square feet
of wall and the rate he can apply paint is 10 square feet per
hour,
he has
to do 40 man-hours of work, period, end of story. The number of days on the
planner calendar on the wall that it takes him to do that
depends on
the
number of hours a day that he is physically present and able to work. His
working time calendar is crucial to the schedule - the elapsed time - number
of sunrises and sunsets between when he starts and when he
ends - is
totally
irrelevant to how long it will take him to do it. It'll take 40 hours of
working time to complete the task regardless of whether he works straight
through from Monday morning till early Wednesday morning or
spends
an hour a
day for 40 days. If the objective is to be able to tell the
carpet
guy when
the painter will be finished and out of the room so he can start
to
lay the
carpet, the painter's working time calendar and the amount of
work
painting
requires are the two values that actually give you that information.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


Thanks Steve. I have resolved myself to using eh and have given up
worrying
about why the machines are showing different things. I have several
different
task calendars and resource calendars and there is just a setting
somewhere
that needs to be changed and I can't find it.
EH ALWAYS works, no matter the circumstance, it only makes sense...so
that's
what I am going with.

As usual, you guys can set me straight. Thanks

:

As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48
hours
IS 6
days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine
being
set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show
durations
in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration
hours"
ie,
working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded
non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task durations
are
reckoned.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me
say
what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then
make
it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours
ahead,
using
"pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on
another
computer
it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes that 48
hours
and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and
schedules
it from
the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours
in a
day are
both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 
E

ET902

Agreed. Task B is the pred.

Thanks for checking my sanity on this Steve.

Steve House said:
In that case maybe Start Start with the lead time as you've done it.
But I would make B the predecessor none-the-less.
ET902 said:
One wrinkle.. task a finish runs past the start of task b. In most of the
cases anyway Ha!


Steve House said:
Sometimes I feel it's convenient to think of the predecessor as meaning
the "controlling task" while the successor is the "controlled task."
Predecessor and successor don't always mean "the first task and then the
second." In your case, the predecessor is actually Task B since it is
what controls the scheduling of Task A. I'd join them Start-Finish
where B's start is the predecessor to A's finish as the successor.


Yes, I've got you.

Here is what I have: The Start of Task A is dependent on the start of
Task
B. For this type of task I am normally given the date that Task B will
start
(It's beyond our control). Also, for these tasks, Task A must start a
certain
amount of time prior to the start of task B, we will say 24 hours.
Task A and
the resource for task A is a 24 hour calendar. Task B and it's
resource is a
Standard calendar. So to set the start of task A I assign Task B as
Pred, SS,
-24 hours (Or -24eh). Since Task A and it's resource is a 24 hour
calendar I
don't understand why on the other machine it doesn't come out that
Task A
doesn't start 24 hours in advance of the start of task B, when on my
machine
it works exactly like my mind thinks it should. So anyway, back to the
lead
time using -eh, it is only setting the start time of task A, the
elapsed
duration matches up to the task and resource calendar of Task A so I
get the
correct amount of work.

Since I am using 24 hour task and reource calendar I still can't
figure out
why it works at my desk but not the other one. But that's why I have
settled
in on just using the eh as lead time.
:

However using EH as your basic unit of scheduling ignores resource
availability, the differences between working time and non-working
time
through the day, etc. IMHO using that approach virtually guarantees
you end
up with an unworkable bogus schedule that has no relation to what is
realistically attainable. If task requires a painter paint 400
square feet
of wall and the rate he can apply paint is 10 square feet per hour,
he has
to do 40 man-hours of work, period, end of story. The number of
days on the
planner calendar on the wall that it takes him to do that depends on
the
number of hours a day that he is physically present and able to
work. His
working time calendar is crucial to the schedule - the elapsed
time - number
of sunrises and sunsets between when he starts and when he ends - is
totally
irrelevant to how long it will take him to do it. It'll take 40
hours of
working time to complete the task regardless of whether he works
straight
through from Monday morning till early Wednesday morning or spends
an hour a
day for 40 days. If the objective is to be able to tell the carpet
guy when
the painter will be finished and out of the room so he can start to
lay the
carpet, the painter's working time calendar and the amount of work
painting
requires are the two values that actually give you that information.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


Thanks Steve. I have resolved myself to using eh and have given up
worrying
about why the machines are showing different things. I have
several
different
task calendars and resource calendars and there is just a setting
somewhere
that needs to be changed and I can't find it.
EH ALWAYS works, no matter the circumstance, it only makes
sense...so
that's
what I am going with.

As usual, you guys can set me straight. Thanks

:

As pointed out, unless you're using elapsed time ("eh") 48 hours
IS 6
days
so perhaps the difference is simply a matter of one machine being
set to
show durations in days while the other is set to show durations
in hours.
Lag times and lead times are normally based on "duration hours"
ie,
working
time hours as defined in the Project Calendar, and any embedded
non-working
time doesn't count in the numbers, exactly the same way task
durations
are
reckoned.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


I am sure that this has to be a set up problem but let me say
what I am
running into.

On my machine in Project 2002, I can schedule a task then make
it a
predecessor another task that needs to occur 48 hours ahead,
using
"pred-ss-
-48h". It works fine. Just like I want it to. But, on another
computer
it
schedules it much differently. It looks like maybe it takes
that 48
hours
and
makes it 6 days and disregard the SS relationship and schedules
it from
the
finish. The calenadars appear to be the same and the hours in a
day are
both
set to 8.

Anybody have any notion about what is going on?
 

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