SQL Server 2000 and MS Access on same machine...

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Gina Whipp

All,

My OTHER machine has finally bit the dust. And I have never tried this so
before I do... Can I load my SQL Server 2000 on the same machine as my
Access programs OR do I bit the bullet and get another machine?
 
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Albert D. Kallal

Gina Whipp said:
All,

My OTHER machine has finally bit the dust. And I have never tried this so
before I do... Can I load my SQL Server 2000 on the same machine as my
Access programs OR do I bit the bullet and get another machine?

We often do this. In fact, most of us develop this way. And, now that sql
server 2005 express edition is free, then this a really the preferred way to
develop. Keep in mind you in some cases will have to setup a loopback
connection if you computer has no network connection at all.

But, for the most part this is common setup. I believe the only Restriction
is that sql serer 2000 might not install on the home edition of winand dows,
but even then, I not sure that's the case.

Another common setup by used for testing and development for things like sql
server, SharePoint and web stuff that to be used with ms-access is to use
virtual PC. virtual PC lets you run several virtual machines on your
computer, so if you want to setup a server machine and then have two more
computers networked to that server, you can do this in the virtual world.
This is great because you don't have to purchase any hardware. You can build
imaginary networks and servers right on your own computer without having to
buy any new hardware at all. For testing of your software applications, and
testing of any installation routine to use for client computers, this is a
must have technology.

I run virtual PC all day on my laptop. When testing my installing scripts
for my access applications, I need a clean box that I can use for testing
over and over. Once you've done a test install of a program on a machine,
that machines never goes back to the way it was before when you actually
un-install the software. There is always bits and pieces and all kinds of
things left behind. with virtual PCs to test and install, you can throw the
machine away, and say give me a fresh new copy of windows and start from
scratch again (you don't even bother to uninstall software, you just tell
the virtual PC to throw away any changes made and give me a fresh new copy
of windows).

Keep in mind it's the absolute of no use to install and test your software
on your development machine because you been installing bits and pieces and
updates and libraries for the last five years. You can rest assured that any
application that you're working on will function correctly on your dev
machine. When it comes time to testing for deployment to other machines
(like your clients), you then need a pure clean up virgin untouched machine
with a clean fresh copy of windows.

People also often use virtual PC to set up a copy of their web server, or
even SQL server can be run and setup to run on virtual pc. I have an image
setup for SharePoint because I did not want to spend the money and time to
build a whole separate box just to test some SharePoint stuff. So I just put
setup windows 2003 as a virtual machine and installed SharePoint into that.
(and, I do this all on my laptop).

So consider virtual PC as a possible option here.

All in all virtual PC is really a must have development tool for any
developer out there, I highly recommend it and it's free from Microsoft.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
 
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Gina Whipp

Well, only bad thing Virtual PC will not install on Home Edition. I guess I
might be bitting the bullet here!
 
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John W. Vinson

Well, only bad thing Virtual PC will not install on Home Edition. I guess I
might be bitting the bullet here!

While it's handy, you don't NEED Virtual PC. I use SQL/Server (2000 and now
2005) on the same box as my Access databases with no difficulties. Running
WindowsXP Pro.
 
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Albert D. Kallal

Gina Whipp said:
Well, only bad thing Virtual PC will not install on Home Edition. I guess
I might be bitting the bullet here!

It did for me. I installed VPC on windows xp home. At that point, I was
installing all kinds of server systems an software. There is a "warning"
about VPC not being designed to run on windows home, but it did work for
me....

So, the requirements are windows xp pro, but it will install on home
editions...
 
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Gina Whipp

I think I'm going to give it a shot and see what happens. I have
back-ups... :)
 
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David W. Fenton

Well, only bad thing Virtual PC will not install on Home Edition.

If you mean WinXP Home, you're a victim of MS's marketing -- WinXP
Home never had any reason to exist. Nobody ever should have bought
it, as it was just too crippled to be useful. I have never allowed a
single one of my clients to buy any version of WinXP except Pro.

If it's Vista that's the problem, then I'm surprised, as I thought
the Vista Home editions were *not* crippled like WinXP Home was.
But, to be truthful, I've never used Vista even once, nor allowed
any of my clients to purchase it.
 
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Gina Whipp

David,

I have both because my Windows Pro Machine is no more! And since the d&&n
software came loaded on the machine it won' let me install it on my other
'play' machine which just became my primary (for now). So NOW I can either
buy a new machine or buy Windows XP Pro and upgrade my Windows XP Home.
Whatever I do I have to make a shoice this weekend because I can't afford
two lost weekends of work.

I also would not let my Clients get Visa but one Client didn't listen, oh
well.
-
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
 
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David W. Fenton

I also would not let my Clients get Visa but one Client didn't
listen, oh well.

I wouldn't support them, then. I was too badly burned by WinXP when
it first came out (it seems to have been optimized to work great in
an office environment with a domain controller, but for standalone
users, as most of my clients are, it was a completely different
animal), and it took me a year or so before I was able to reliably
administer WinXP. I'm not going to make the same mistake with Vista
-- if my clients buy it, I'm made it clear that they are on their
own because I won't touch it to do anything at all.
 
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Gina Whipp

David,

You know the thought had occured to me but I opted for the other choice
instead... I raised my rates. I figured if I sit there and troubleshoot
Vista I should be compensated for it! And of course, there's my other
choice... no income :-(
 
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David W. Fenton

You know the thought had occured to me but I opted for the other
choice instead... I raised my rates. I figured if I sit there
and troubleshoot Vista I should be compensated for it! And of
course, there's my other choice... no income :-(

I get ulcers when I find myself billing my clients for things that
they shouldn't have to pay for, even when it's their own fault. In
my experience, punitive billing always sound better prospectively
than it ends up being in reality -- it leaves me unhappy to have
done the work.

I'm actually rather surprised that I haven't yet encountered Vista
among some of the clients with whom I'm more peripherally involved
(i.e., I'm not their primary IT person), but it seems that nobody is
buying it in business. I suspect that most of the purchases are for
home use, made by people who don't get it that they are buying
themselves tons of problems. Since I don't have very many home users
as clients, I haven't encountered that. For that matter, the home
users I have as clients mostly won't even turn off their computers
without asking me for permission (I exaggerate a bit)! Kind of
annoying, but in the long run, much better for them to consult with
me before major purchases so that they don't get themselves in
trouble.
 
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Gina Whipp

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
David W. Fenton said:
I get ulcers when I find myself billing my clients for things that
they shouldn't have to pay for, even when it's their own fault. In
my experience, punitive billing always sound better prospectively
than it ends up being in reality -- it leaves me unhappy to have
done the work.

You shouldn't feel bad when you warn them repeatedly installing Vista adds a
whole new level to 'troubleshooting'. I too am not their primary IT person
who ADVISED them to get Vista. (Maybe because he's a him and I'm a her?
Who knows???) I do not have any 'home based' Clients but the few that were
told to install Vista asked me and actually listened when I said "No, do
that and you need to get someone else to support your application(s).", all
except that one.

Not looking for sympathy but since losing my husband this year, I REALLY
can't afford to turn any business. If I get out of the 'full-time
consulting' business I will probably drop him and just keep the ones who
listen, less work for me.
 

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