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[eric]

Hi

can we add new styles (i.e. download from MS) and import our endnote libraries into the new bibliographic feature of word 2008?

thanks
eric

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

I don't think so. Feature designed for undergraduates with 5-20 sources,
not for academics. Oh, and EndNote doesn't work with Word 2008.

Use Help | Provide Feedback in Word to complain, and to ask for a import
tool.

 

[eric]

thanks for the clarification. Yeah I knew that endnote did not work, but the slow scrolling speed of Office 2004 on intel was driving me bonkers ;P

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

thanks for the clarification. Yeah I knew that endnote did not work,
but the slow scrolling speed of Office 2004 on intel was driving me
bonkers ;P

A different question reminded me--and another poster confirmed--that you
can use EndNote with Word 2008, sort of. Use drag and drop from EN to
insert unformatted citations in a Word 2008 document. Return to Word
2004, or use the Scan as RTF feature in EN, to format the citations and
generate the bibliography.

You can't use the EN toolbar----but you can get 90% of the functionality
without the EN toolbar.

 

[Sam]

I can't image why MS would overlook this simple function! I am hugely disappointed with Word 2008: it should have some kind of import filter for refs.

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Sam:

They didn't overlook it, they ran out of time.

They are working on it now. Keep your eye on the EndNote website: they will
announce when they have a version ready to work with Word 2008 (maybe six
months...)

Cheers

I can't image why MS would overlook this simple function! I am hugely
disappointed with Word 2008: it should have some kind of import filter for
refs.

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[Daiya Mitchell]

Sam, use Help | Send Feedback in Word to send a message to MS. Be sure
to make clear whether you want to be able to import information into the
built-in citations feature, or use the program EndNote--at present you
and John might be talking about different things.

 

[joonhwan]

I manage bibliography with BibDesk. And some people use Papers for that purpose. So, I made a simple application that converts bibtex file to Word 2008 bibliography db.
You can download it from following location:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~joonhwan/personal/bibim.zip
You just drop a bibtex file on the window, and then you will get "Sources.xml" file. Just put this file under "~/Documents/Microsoft User Data" folder and launch word 2008.
It's still in beta (maybe alpha) version, so some types may not be converted correctly. In that case, please report the bug to following email address: (e-mail address removed)

BTW, I also need to add bibliography styles. Is it really impossible??

 

[John McGhie]

Thanks Daiya:

I *knew* I should left that one for you

Cheers

Sam, use Help | Send Feedback in Word to send a message to MS. Be sure
to make clear whether you want to be able to import information into the
built-in citations feature, or use the program EndNote--at present you
and John might be talking about different things.

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[John McGhie]

Excellent!! Thank you for that.

No, it's not "impossible", you just have to FIND the bibliography styles
list and add to it. So far, we haven't found it

Drill into the Word.app package, look in the Resources folder for a folder
named "Style". In there, you will see a series of 500 kb documents that you
may find VERY interesting.

Warning: There may be a link or pointer list to those files somewhere: if
you don't find that, Word may never see any you add...

Enjoy!

I manage bibliography with BibDesk. And some people use Papers for that
purpose. So, I made a simple application that converts bibtex file to Word
2008 bibliography db.
You can download it from following location:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~joonhwan/personal/bibim.zip
You just drop a bibtex file on the window, and then you will get "Sources.xml"
file. Just put this file under "~/Documents/Microsoft User Data" folder and
launch word 2008.
It's still in beta (maybe alpha) version, so some types may not be converted
correctly. In that case, please report the bug to following email address:
(e-mail address removed)

BTW, I also need to add bibliography styles. Is it really impossible??

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Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
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[joonhwan]

I know style folder is in there, but when I copy styles from Word 2007, it didn't show up.
However, I tried to make a custom style by following link and it worked.
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2007/12/14/bibliography-citations-1011.aspx
I don't know the difference of this custom style and the styles of word 2007 yet, but at lease I'm happy to know that adding a style is not impossible.

 

[Eric]

Nice job joonhwan!

That bibdesk import seems to work great! Now all we need is a style editor for the masses and this could really take off. MS - can you guys supply such a thing?

e

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Eric:

Of course they could. But there are a dozen keen young code puppies out
there slaving away over a hot compiler as we speak.

This is what Universities have Comp Sci departments FOR...

Need I add "That's how Microsoft started..."

Microsoft has one or two more urgently pressing feature additions to get
through.

Ring your local Comp Sci major and ask them to get right on it. You may
need to exert some "encouragement". Try FOOD. Food works for almost all
geeks (hmm.. Female ones tend not to respond well to food unless it's
chocolate ...). Avoid booze. If you feed booze to a computer nerd, they
will do anything, but you may prefer not to be around when they do...

Cheers

Nice job joonhwan!

That bibdesk import seems to work great! Now all we need is a style editor
for the masses and this could really take off. MS - can you guys supply such
a thing?

e

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[Daiya Mitchell]

Nice job joonhwan!

Indeed! Awesome.

 

[Paul]

I have a 100 page document with 70 odd citations. For some reason one of the citations shows up with the title as well as the author / date. The same citation in a new document shows up correctly (APA format). I'm at a loss.

I don't think this feature is ready for prime time yet.

 

[joonhwan]

Paul,
If there are more than two bibliography with same author, Word put title, too.
To fix this issue, edit style files - they are in Word.app/Contents/Resources/Styles

1. Find following line:
<xsl:value-of select="msxsl:node-set($ListPopulatedWithMain)/b:Citation/b:Source/b:Title" />

2. Edit the line as follows:

 

[Paul]

Joonhwan

Thanks that worked. Silly, and most annoying, bug though.

Paul

 

[joonhwan]

I'm not sure if it was a bug or not. Windows Word 2007 has the same problem.
Maybe, they just don't understand citation rule
We should send them the Chicago manual or something.

 

[John]

Is there any way to get the citation to show up as a numbered reference instead of a (name, year) without entering them as endnotes? Or is there a way to have endnotes collected in the citations listing I suppose would also do the trick

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

I don't understand what you mean by this part--can you rephrase?
"Or is there a way to have endnotes collected in the citations listing I
suppose would also do the trick"

For numbered reference lists, this is the general approach:
Create a list of references at the end. Use Word's features to apply the
numbers to this list, so that they will update as necessary. In the main
text of the document, insert cross-references to the numbered items in
the reference list. Format the cross-references however you like (a find
and replace might help with this).

Now--can you get Word's citation manager to give you a list of
references? I'm not sure. If you apply numbering to a Word-generated
bibliography, it might get wiped, destroying your cross-references, when
you update fields. Individual citations should keep the numbering even
on updating---but I'm not sure whether you can insert an individual
citation and get it to show the full information, unless you are
inserting it into a footnote.