How do I get proper hyphenation based on dictionary?

[Chip M.]

Has anyone been able to figure out how to get Word 2007 to use proper grammar
standards for hyphenation as depicted in the Main dictionary?

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Chip,

Can you state the language settings for the text you're using, what you're expecting and what you're seeing instead and an example
of text that produces the result you're getting?

==============
Has anyone been able to figure out how to get Word 2007 to use proper grammar
standards for hyphenation as depicted in the Main dictionary? >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Cathy b.]

Hi Chip,

Can you state the language settings for the text you're using, what you're expecting and what you're seeing instead and an example
of text that produces the result you're getting?

==============
Has anyone been able to figure out how to get Word 2007 to use proper grammar
standards for hyphenation as depicted in the Main dictionary? >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Cathy b.]

Our office updated to Word 2007 recently and I have been having the same
problem with all of my documents. I work for a legal office and type lengthy
documents and am finding that all of the documents now opened in Word 2007
have words hyphenated incorrectly. It doesn't seem to matter where you set
the hyphenation zone or readjust the page layout; it still splits the words
inappropriately. This has really slowed down production as I am having to
read what are normally form documents line by line to check for errors in
hyphenation. The attorneys I work for prefer not to use justification, so
I'm just wondering if there is some easy fix for this problem. I've lived
through several other Word upgrades and have never run into this before. I
would appreciate any input. Thanks!

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Cathy,

The same questions asked of the previous poster apply

What are the language settings, can you give an example, are the documents new in Word 2007 or from an older version?

===============
Our office updated to Word 2007 recently and I have been having the same
problem with all of my documents. I work for a legal office and type lengthy
documents and am finding that all of the documents now opened in Word 2007
have words hyphenated incorrectly. It doesn't seem to matter where you set
the hyphenation zone or readjust the page layout; it still splits the words
inappropriately. This has really slowed down production as I am having to
read what are normally form documents line by line to check for errors in
hyphenation. The attorneys I work for prefer not to use justification, so
I'm just wondering if there is some easy fix for this problem. I've lived
through several other Word upgrades and have never run into this before. I
would appreciate any input. Thanks! >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Cathy b.]

Hi Bob,

I appreciate the response....we are really having major headaches with
this. We are using U.S. English...is this what you mean by language setting?
The documents are from an older version of Word (possibly even from an older
conversion of WordPerfect), but we didn't have this particular problem even
when we converted from WordPerfect to Word. Unfortunately, there are not too
many documents (other than correspondence) that we generate from scratch.
Most of what we do is based on an existing document and revised to suit the
current client, so a lot of our document base is ongoing from years past.

A couple of examples:

The word "hereinafter" will be hyphenated as "he-reinafter"
The word "thereof" will be hyphenated as "the-reof"
The word "beneficiary" will be hyphenated as "be-neficiary"

As indicated in my first post, I have tried everything I know to get the
text to readjust properly and it's like the system just doesn't recognize
these words anymore....and the documents I word on are loaded with them. You
end up having to proof line by line because when specific text is inserted
you never know what it's going to cause down the line and it is causing big
problems for us and the attorneys on the review level. Any help you can give
us will be more then welcome. Our IT department couldn't come up with any
answers on their end.

Thanks!

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Cathy,

Hmmm. I wasn't able to duplicate it. Do you get the same result if you copy a paragraph of text that shows this behavior into a
new Word document, then use Ctrl+Spacebar to reset the text, save and then reopen the document?

Can you copy a paragraph or two of text that includes this behavior in a message or provide a link to one of the problem documents?

==============Hi Bob,

I appreciate the response....we are really having major headaches with
this. We are using U.S. English...is this what you mean by language setting?
The documents are from an older version of Word (possibly even from an older
conversion of WordPerfect), but we didn't have this particular problem even
when we converted from WordPerfect to Word. Unfortunately, there are not too
many documents (other than correspondence) that we generate from scratch.
Most of what we do is based on an existing document and revised to suit the
current client, so a lot of our document base is ongoing from years past.

A couple of examples:

The word "hereinafter" will be hyphenated as "he-reinafter"
The word "thereof" will be hyphenated as "the-reof"
The word "beneficiary" will be hyphenated as "be-neficiary"

As indicated in my first post, I have tried everything I know to get the
text to readjust properly and it's like the system just doesn't recognize
these words anymore....and the documents I word on are loaded with them. You
end up having to proof line by line because when specific text is inserted
you never know what it's going to cause down the line and it is causing big
problems for us and the attorneys on the review level. Any help you can give
us will be more then welcome. Our IT department couldn't come up with any
answers on their end.

Thanks! >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Cathy b.]

Bob, thanks for responding. Unfortunately, I did get the same result after
copying the text into a new Word document.

I tried to insert an example of the text into this reply, but it did not
transfer as it appeared in the document. Sorry to be so "IT dense" but as
far as sending a link to the document, how do I do that other than sending it
as an attachment to an e-mail to you (about the extent of my know-how).

If I don't get back to you right away, I only work on Tuesdays and
Thursdays. I really appreciate your help on this.

Cathy

 

[PamC via OfficeKB.com]

Try this on a copy. Turn off hyphenation, then click the pilcrow show/hide
button (to display formatting and hidden characters). Do you see lots of
conditional hyphens? If so, replace the conditional hyphens with nothing.
Then turn hyphenation back on. Is the hyphenation correct now?

PamC

Bob, thanks for responding. Unfortunately, I did get the same result after
copying the text into a new Word document.

I tried to insert an example of the text into this reply, but it did not
transfer as it appeared in the document. Sorry to be so "IT dense" but as
far as sending a link to the document, how do I do that other than sending it
as an attachment to an e-mail to you (about the extent of my know-how).

If I don't get back to you right away, I only work on Tuesdays and
Thursdays. I really appreciate your help on this.

Cathy

Hi Cathy,

[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]

Thanks! >>

 

[Cathy b.]

Hi Pam, I was really hoping this might work....this method has solved similar
problems for me in the past; I should have tried it sooner. Unfortunately,
it didn't do the trick...when I turned hyphenation back on, the incorrectly
hyphenated words went right back to being incorrectly hyphenated! I know
there has to be a way to get around this problem! Thanks for the input.

Cathy

Try this on a copy. Turn off hyphenation, then click the pilcrow show/hide
button (to display formatting and hidden characters). Do you see lots of
conditional hyphens? If so, replace the conditional hyphens with nothing.
Then turn hyphenation back on. Is the hyphenation correct now?

PamC

Bob, thanks for responding. Unfortunately, I did get the same result after
copying the text into a new Word document.

I tried to insert an example of the text into this reply, but it did not
transfer as it appeared in the document. Sorry to be so "IT dense" but as
far as sending a link to the document, how do I do that other than sending it
as an attachment to an e-mail to you (about the extent of my know-how).

If I don't get back to you right away, I only work on Tuesdays and
Thursdays. I really appreciate your help on this.

Cathy

Hi Cathy,

[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]

Thanks! >>

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Cathy,

Are you working in Print Layout view or 'normal'/draft view? Words will break based on screen edges in normal view.

How about providing a paragraph of text that when you use it in Word 2007 in anew document does show the problem and indicate where
the incorrect hyphens are appearing for you to see if folks here get the same result. (It's okay if it's just plain text <g>).

What font are you using and what printer model and version?

Are these always typed entries, or are they pasted from other documents or are they stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries.

================
Bob, thanks for responding. Unfortunately, I did get the same result after
copying the text into a new Word document.

I tried to insert an example of the text into this reply, but it did not
transfer as it appeared in the document. Sorry to be so "IT dense" but as
far as sending a link to the document, how do I do that other than sending it
as an attachment to an e-mail to you (about the extent of my know-how).

If I don't get back to you right away, I only work on Tuesdays and
Thursdays. I really appreciate your help on this.

Cathy >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Cathy b.]

Hi Bob,

I work in Print layout.

We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).

The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements, living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms (especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains unchanged.

Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof" in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5

B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks, drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests, dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title, choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;

The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Cathy,

Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.

For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'

or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.

1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for that word,
and then

2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.

3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.

=========
Hi Bob,

I work in Print layout.

We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).

The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements, living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms (especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains unchanged.

Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof" in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5

B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks, drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests, dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title, choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;

The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Cathy b.]

Bob, thank you for the tips. I'll try them and see which was works best. I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.

Cathy

Hi Cathy,

Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.

For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'

or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.

1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for that word,
and then

2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.

3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.

=========
Hi Bob,

I work in Print layout.

We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).

The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements, living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms (especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains unchanged.

Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof" in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5

B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks, drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests, dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title, choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;

The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[Jen]

I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing "thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word 2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program) to see
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word or any
other word processing program I have ever used.

Bob, thank you for the tips. I'll try them and see which was works best. I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.

Cathy

Hi Cathy,

Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.

For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'

or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.

1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for that word,
and then

2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.

3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.

=========
Hi Bob,

I work in Print layout.

We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).

The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements, living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms (especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains unchanged.

Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof" in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5

B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks, drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests, dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title, choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;

The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

 

[grammatim]

What are some words that you think are hyphenated wrong? Could it be a
difference between US and UK practice?

I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing "thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word 2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program) tosee
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word or any
other word processing program I have ever used.

Bob, thank you for the tips.  I'll try them and see which was works best.  I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.  

Cathy

Hi Cathy,
Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug.  I had to pull the right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof'  is definitely splitting at
    the-reof  rather than
    there-of
with auto hyphenation.
For a one time fix you can use
   Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'
or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.
1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
  Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for that word,
and then
2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>OptionalHyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.
3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.
=========
Hi Bob,
     I work in Print layout.
     We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).
     The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries.  I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements, livingwill
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms (especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in WordPerfect
and are now used with Word).  Obviously, portions of these documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains unchanged.
     Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof" in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007.  I'm using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5
     B.  To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks, drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests, dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title, choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now orshall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in myname for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;
The mystery continues!  Again, thanks for your help. >>

 

[Jen]

Definitely not. Two examples of words that Word auto-hyphenated:

unders-tood
tablec-loth

Obviously there is no built-in or linked dictionary being used at all. The
hyphens in these words seem totally arbitrary.

What are some words that you think are hyphenated wrong? Could it be a
difference between US and UK practice?

I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing "thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word 2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program) to see
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word or any
other word processing program I have ever used.

Bob, thank you for the tips. I'll try them and see which was works best. I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.

"Bob Buckland ?" wrote:

Hi Cathy,

Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.

For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'

or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.

1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for that word,
and then

2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.

3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.

=========
Hi Bob,

I work in Print layout.

We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).

The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements, living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms (especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains unchanged.

Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof" in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5

B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks, drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests, dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title, choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;

The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>

 

[grammatim]

No, they're the result of applying an incorrect algorithm: divide
before the last consonant. Is it possible that your document is set
for German (or some other language)?

Definitely not. Two examples of words that Word auto-hyphenated:

unders-tood
tablec-loth

Obviously there is no built-in or linked dictionary being used at all. The
hyphens in these words seem totally arbitrary.

What are some words that you think are hyphenated wrong? Could it be a
difference between US and UK practice?

I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing "thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word 2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program) to see
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word orany
other word processing program I have ever used.
:
Bob, thank you for the tips.  I'll try them and see which was works best.  I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.  
Cathy
:
Hi Cathy,
Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug.  I had to pull the right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof'  is definitely splitting at
    the-reof  rather than
    there-of
with auto hyphenation.
For a one time fix you can use
   Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'
or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.
1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
  Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for that word,
and then
2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.
3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to storeit as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.
=========
Hi Bob,
     I work in Print layout.
     We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).
     The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries.  I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements, living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms (especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed inWordPerfect
and are now used with Word).  Obviously, portions of these documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains unchanged.
     Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word"thereof" in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007.  I'm using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5
     B.  To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks, drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests, dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title,choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me orin which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawfulways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;
The mystery continues!  Again, thanks for your help. >>-

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Having another language applied would result in the hyphenation not
functioning at all, since the hyphenation files are all language-specific.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

No, they're the result of applying an incorrect algorithm: divide
before the last consonant. Is it possible that your document is set
for German (or some other language)?

Definitely not. Two examples of words that Word auto-hyphenated:

unders-tood
tablec-loth

Obviously there is no built-in or linked dictionary being used at all. The
hyphens in these words seem totally arbitrary.

What are some words that you think are hyphenated wrong? Could it be a
difference between US and UK practice?

I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing
"thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word
2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program)
to see
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a
hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word
in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as
Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this
dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to
begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word or
any
other word processing program I have ever used.
:
Bob, thank you for the tips. I'll try them and see which was works
best. I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.
Cathy
:
Hi Cathy,
Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the
right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.
For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'
or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.
1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for
that word,
and then
2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional
Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.
3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it
as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.
=========
messageHi Bob,
I work in Print layout.
We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard
Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).
The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements,
living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms
(especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have
been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in
WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these
documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains
unchanged.
Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof"
in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm
using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole
paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5
B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks,
drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests,
dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension
retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title,
choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible
property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now
or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or
in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful
ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in
my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and
agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name
all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other
sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;
The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>-

 

[grammatim]

Right -- if the German hyphenator thought those were German words,
those would be the correct hyphenations for them.

Having another language applied would result in the hyphenation not
functioning at all, since the hyphenation files are all language-specific..

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA


No, they're the result of applying an incorrect algorithm: divide
before the last consonant. Is it possible that your document is set
for German (or some other language)?

Definitely not. Two examples of words that Word auto-hyphenated:

Obviously there is no built-in or linked dictionary being used at all. The
hyphens in these words seem totally arbitrary.

What are some words that you think are hyphenated wrong? Could it be a
difference between US and UK practice?
I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing
"thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word
2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program)
to see
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a
hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word
in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as
Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this
dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to
begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word or
any
other word processing program I have ever used.
:
Bob, thank you for the tips. I'll try them and see which was works
best. I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.
Cathy
:
Hi Cathy,
Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the
right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.
For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'
or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.
1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for
that word,
and then
2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional
Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.
3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it
as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.
=========
messageHi Bob,
I work in Print layout.
We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard
Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).
The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements,
living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms
(especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have
been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in
WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these
documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains
unchanged.
Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof"
in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm
using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole
paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5
B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks,
drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests,
dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension
retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title,
choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible
property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now
or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or
in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful
ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writsin
my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and
agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name
all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other
sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;
The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>--