How do I get proper hyphenation based on dictionary?

J

Jen

I just double-checked my language setting, and it is definitely U.S. English.
This is simply a major flaw in the Word 2007 edition.
Jen


grammatim said:
Right -- if the German hyphenator thought those were German words,
those would be the correct hyphenations for them.

Having another language applied would result in the hyphenation not
functioning at all, since the hyphenation files are all language-specific..

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA


No, they're the result of applying an incorrect algorithm: divide
before the last consonant. Is it possible that your document is set
for German (or some other language)?

Definitely not. Two examples of words that Word auto-hyphenated:

Obviously there is no built-in or linked dictionary being used at all. The
hyphens in these words seem totally arbitrary.
:
What are some words that you think are hyphenated wrong? Could it be a
difference between US and UK practice?
I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing
"thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word
2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program)
to see
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a
hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word
in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as
Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this
dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to
begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word or
any
other word processing program I have ever used.
:
Bob, thank you for the tips. I'll try them and see which was works
best. I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.

"Bob Buckland ?:)" wrote:
Hi Cathy,
Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the
right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.
For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'
or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.
1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for
that word,
and then
2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional
Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.
3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it
as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.
=========
messageHi Bob,
I work in Print layout.
We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard
Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).
The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements,
living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms
(especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have
been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in
WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these
documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains
unchanged.
Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof"
in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm
using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole
paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5
B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks,
drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests,
dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension
retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title,
choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible
property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now
or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or
in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful
ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in
my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and
agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name
all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other
sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;
The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>--
 
C

Cathy b.

Just to confirm Jen's problems, my language setting was definitely on U.S.
English as well, so I know that had nothing to do with the ongoing
hyphenation problem. It is obviously a flaw in the program that is really
irritating and time-consuming to the user. It has helped changing my
hyphenation zone to 1", but my documents don't look as good and I still have
to scan that right margin line to make sure Word hasn't goofed up....which it
still does. This user would greatly appreciate a fix to this problem!

Jen said:
I just double-checked my language setting, and it is definitely U.S. English.
This is simply a major flaw in the Word 2007 edition.
Jen


grammatim said:
Right -- if the German hyphenator thought those were German words,
those would be the correct hyphenations for them.

Having another language applied would result in the hyphenation not
functioning at all, since the hyphenation files are all language-specific..

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA


No, they're the result of applying an incorrect algorithm: divide
before the last consonant. Is it possible that your document is set
for German (or some other language)?




Definitely not. Two examples of words that Word auto-hyphenated:

unders-tood
tablec-loth

Obviously there is no built-in or linked dictionary being used at all. The
hyphens in these words seem totally arbitrary.

:
What are some words that you think are hyphenated wrong? Could it be a
difference between US and UK practice?

I'm having this problem too. Thanks for the advice on fixing
"thereof," but
you can't solve this overall problem word by word. Why doesn't Word
2007 link
to a dictionary (or have a basic one installed as part of the program)
to see
how words should be properly hyphenated? Whenever Word has put in a
hyphen
that I do not think is in the right place, I right-click on the word
in
question and then click "look up." A window opens that shows me the
dictionary entry for the word, with proper hyphenation. This is
time-consuming and annoying to have to double-check the hyphens, as
Cathy
pointed out. Why can't the Word program be made to consult this
dictionary
when it places hyphens so that they will be in the correct place to
begin
with? I have never had this problem with previous versions of Word or
any
other word processing program I have ever used.

:
Bob, thank you for the tips. I'll try them and see which was works
best. I
really appreciate your perseverance in this.

Cathy

:

Hi Cathy,

Hmmm, it does look like a proofing tools bug. I had to pull the
right margin in to 1 1/2" to finally get 'thereof' to wrap so it
would hyphenate but
in Word 2007 'thereof' is definitely splitting at
the-reof rather than
there-of
with auto hyphenation.

For a one time fix you can use
Page Layout=>Hyphenation=>Hyphenation Options=>[Manual]
to walk the document and choose 'no' for the split in 'there-of'

or for a more reusable one you might try these steps.

1. Type then select 'thereof' and use
Review=>Proofing=>Set Language
and set the word to 'Do not check spelling or grammar' just for
that word,
and then

2. Place your cursor between there|of, and use (Ctrl+hyphen)
or Insert=>Symbol=>More Symbols=>Special Characters=>Optional
Hyphen
to place an optional hyphen to get there¬of.

3. You can then highlight there¬of and use (Alt, T, A) to store it
as a formatted autocorrect entry to replace 'thereof' as you type
it.

=========
messageHi Bob,

I work in Print layout.

We use Courier New font (size 12) and I have a Hewlett-Packard
Laser
Jet 4 printer (looks
to be a 1999 model).

The entries are not stored as Autotext or autocorrect entries. I
basically work with power of attorney forms, trust agreements,
living will
directives and last wills and testaments, so some of these forms
(especially
the power of attorney forms) are essentially the same forms I have
been
working with for over 20 years (that have been initially typed in
WordPerfect
and are now used with Word). Obviously, portions of these
documents change
with every client, but essentially the base document remains
unchanged.

Here is a paragraph from a power of attorney (the word "thereof"
in the
9th line consistently hyphenates as "the-reof") in Word2007. I'm
using
margins of 1.3 (top) and 1.0 for sides and bottom and this whole
paragraph
has a temporary left margin of 1.5

B. To ask, demand, sue for, recover, collect, receive and hold and
possess all such sums of money, debts, dues, bonds, notes, checks,
drafts,
accounts, deposits, legacies, bequests, devises, interests,
dividends, stock
certifi¬cates, certificates of deposit, annuities, pension
retire¬ment
bene¬fits, insurance benefits and proceeds, documents of title,
choses in
action, personal and real property, intang¬ible and tangible
property rights
and demands whatsoever, liqui-dated or unliquida¬ted, as are now
or shall
hereafter become due, owing, payable, owned or belonging to me or
in which I
have or may acquire an interest and have, sue and take all lawful
ways and
means and legal and equitable reme¬dies, procedures and writs in
my name for
the collection and recovery thereof, and to compromise, settle and
agree for
the same, and to make, execute and deliver for me and in my name
all
endorsements, acquit-tances, releases, receipts or other
sufficient
discharg¬es for the same;

The mystery continues! Again, thanks for your help. >>--
 

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