Images over text

[Paolo Bocchini]

Hi,
I tried to convert a pub into an html (by "Convert into web site" or
something like this, in the file menu), and everything works good, but
images go over texts and so some sentences can't be read. In the
pub-file, the text goes all arount the image, while in the html it goes
under the image.

Can somebody tell me how can i solve this problem?
I HAVE to find a procedure that involves only Publisher because the
person that have to follow it can use only this program.

I use office 2003, and i know that office 2000 has't this problem.
Thank you very much in advance

Paolo

 

[DavidF]

Paolo,

Word wrap is a print document feature that does not work in a web document.
You will either need to change your layout to avoid the word wrap around
images, or find another way to do what you want to do. When you say that you
have to find a procedure that involves only Publisher, what are you trying
to do? Perhaps there is another way...

DavidF

 

[Paolo Bocchini]

DavidF ha scritto:

Perhaps there is another way...

DavidF

I don't have to follow the procedure by myself, I have to teach to
another person to do it. This guy isn't able to use a pc well, but he
has some practice with Publisher and, moreover, he must produce a
document by publisher (for other reasons) and then he wants to put it
on-line too. If I find a way to let him use just MSPublisher, I think I
will make him very happy! But if there is another simple procedure...
What do you suggest?

Thank you for your answer!
Paolo

 

[DavidF]

Paolo,

You can certainly convert a Publisher print document to a web document but
you can't use word wrap or high resolution images; probably not a master
page; would have to add navigational links to multiple pages, etc. In other
words, depending on the medium, you approach the design in very different
ways, which may not work for this person.

Perhaps instead he can convert the print document to a PDF document. There
are a number of inexpensive or free PDF converter available. Primopdf is one
that is frequently suggested in this group:
http://www.primopdf.com/
The person might also need to download and install the Adobe Reader, but it
is also free. Have them download and install the converter, teach them how
to use it, and then post the resulting PDF file on-line.

Yes, you will have to walk them through the steps of downloading and
installing both programs, and then how to convert the Publisher document to
PDF format, but those are one time jobs, and really not that difficult even
for a newbie, and is certainly easier than trying to teach someone the
differences in design and technique for print vs. web documents using
Publisher.

And you might also read the article 'Save Publisher 2003 files in formats
that others can view' for other ideas:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011111451033.aspx

DavidF

 

[Paolo Bocchini]

In other
words, depending on the medium, you approach the design in very different
ways, which may not work for this person.

I completely agree with you, and I have already teached the procedure to
use PDFs.
However, until now, this work has been made by another guy that produced
both the html and the pdf version of the pub. I know he used Publisher
2000 because it does't have problems with words wrap. Probably, it creates
tables, or something like that, in order to avoid that problem. Now I'm
wondering if is there an equivalent procedure in an up-to-date software.
Otherwise, I will use Publisher 2000, but it has the problem that inserts
a white line at the beginnig of each text box.
Do you really think that my quest will end without a treasure?

Thank you for your answers.
Paolo

 

[Mary Sauer]

If your guy really wants to do the word wrap, select all the objects on the page,
copy, paste into Paint, crop the image, save as a .gif (makes a smaller file) and use
the result on his web page. I would suggest using a sans serif font such as
Verdana...

 

[DavidF]

Hi Paolo,

Actually I use Pub 2000 to produce my website, and prefer it to the newer
versions for this purpose. Microsoft changed Pub 2002 and 2003 quite a bit
in how they produce web documents, and most people seem to prefer Pub 2000.
You might read the left hand column of David Bartosik's explanation here:
http://www.publishermvps.com/WebDesign/tabid/29/Default.aspx

and peruse the other excellent articles he has written.

And yes in Pub 2000, if you overlap a text box with an image, it will wrap,
and not obscure the text when converted to HTML. However, this is because
both the image and the text is converted to one GIF image, which generally
leaves me unsatisfied with the quality of the text, and many times the
higher quality JPG that I was using. The conversion to a GIF happens
whenever you overlap any page elements.

As to your other issue of a white line, I can't reproduce that. Perhaps if
you explain this in more detail, David Bartosik will jump in here with an
answer. He is the MAN with all the answers!

As to the search, don't you know:

In the search for the treasure,
the treasure is the search.

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

Yeah, that too };>)

If your guy really wants to do the word wrap, select all the objects on the page,
copy, paste into Paint, crop the image, save as a .gif (makes a smaller file) and use
the result on his web page. I would suggest using a sans serif font such as
Verdana...

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

 

[Margaret]

I have been told that I am having similar problems with images over text on
my website by a reader who uses Opera v 7.54. (He also cannot read the links
in the box set up for this purpose but I've sussed that it's because these
are set up in the Master Page which you say should not be done in another
string.)

My website is www.goin-stompin.co.uk. I use Windows XP (service pack 2) and
Publisher 2003. I have not used word wrap. My text is in a text box and my
image is in an image box alongside it. I can read the site OK using Internet
Explorer V6 (SP2) and have not had any other complaints / enquiries about
either images over text or the links not working, but that may be apathy
from readers!

Can you help please? (I also prefer to use publisher, but it's because I'm a
geriatric female technophobe and I prefer to stick with what I know!)
Thanks

Margaret

 

[Margaret]

I have been told that I am having similar problems with images over text on
my website by a reader who uses Opera v 7.54. (He also cannot read the links
in the box set up for this purpose but I've sussed that it's because these
are set up in the Master Page which you say should not be done in another
string.)

My website is www.goin-stompin.co.uk. I use Windows XP (service pack 2) and
Publisher 2003. I have not used word wrap. My text is in a text box and my
image is in an image box alongside it. I can read the site OK using Internet
Explorer V6 (SP2) and have not had any other complaints / enquiries about
either images over text or the links not working, but that may be apathy
from readers!

Can you help please? (I also prefer to use publisher, but it's because I'm a
geriatric female technophobe and I prefer to stick with what I know!)
Thanks

Margaret

 

[DavidF]

Margaret,

Unfortunately, Pub 2003 was designed to work best with IE, and does not have
good cross browser support. Your page does not load well with Mozilla
either. This is another reason why I prefer Pub 2000 for web documents. I
guess one suggestion is to post a notice on your site that it is best viewed
in IE, not that it will make people happy that have chosen to not use IE.

DavidF

 

[Ed Bennett]

Why did M$ elect to make Publisher "work best" with only IE?

Because the Publisher team doesn't have time or manpower to make the code as
cross-browser compatible as it might be, and because IE is more lenient
about certain web standards.

 

[Margaret]

Thanks, David.

At least I'm not actually doing anything wrong which is a relief. Think I'll
follow your suggestion - at least people will know that I'm aware of the
problem and have tried to sort it out.
(Sorry to have opened a can of worms about compatibility. I naively thought
newer versions of software were designed to take into account developing
technology. Most comments on this site seems to think that Pub 2000 is
better than Pub 2003. Seems MS developers fixed some things that weren't
broke)

Margaret

 

[Ed Bennett]

Most comments on this site seems to think that
Pub 2000 is better than Pub 2003.

Only in terms of web development.

 

[DavidF]

Margaret,

You are welcome, and don't worry about the compatibility 'discussion'. I
think MS did take into account developing technology, and in some ways
improved Publisher, especially for print documents. I prefer 2000 because
the code is more basic HTML, but the code used in 2003 is much better than
2002, and works pretty well if you use broadband. Unfortunately MS seems a
bit ahead of the curve, and the majority of people still use dial-up. As to
compatibility, you should also remember that the vast majority of people
still use IE as their default browser, so most will not have issues. Bottom
line is Publisher is a DTP, and will do a reasonable job if you want only a
basic, static website. If you want something more sophisticated, then switch
to something like FrontPage which is specifically designed for website
development. Good luck.

DavidF