Is Front Page part of any MS Office Suite?

[Mama Bear]

I need to learn how to do professional quality web pages from home.

Is Front Page part of any MS Office Suite?

I was thinking that maybe I could pick it all up at once.

 

[Leythos]

I need to learn how to do professional quality web pages from home.

Is Front Page part of any MS Office Suite?

I was thinking that maybe I could pick it all up at once.

The words Professional, Quality and Web Pages should never be used with
the words Front Page in the same document.

Try Dream Weaver or other products.

Some version of Office contain Front Page, but you can also purchase
Front Page alone.

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

I need to learn how to do professional quality web pages from home.

Is Front Page part of any MS Office Suite?

I was thinking that maybe I could pick it all up at once.

I don't think so, at least in the UK editions.

However, Dreamweaver is a lot better if you are serious about webdesign, but
it has a steeper learning curve. I'm not sure if there will be a new
version with Office 2007, which is about to be realeased. I think MS is
replacing it with the much improved Microsoft Expression Web Designer , but
it still won't be as good as Dreamweaver.

http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/web_designer/default.mspx

ss.

 

[Mama Bear]

I don't think so, at least in the UK editions.

However, Dreamweaver is a lot better if you are serious about
webdesign, but it has a steeper learning curve. I'm not sure if
there will be a new version with Office 2007, which is about to be
realeased. I think MS is replacing it with the much improved
Microsoft Expression Web Designer , but it still won't be as good as
Dreamweaver.

I understand that Dreamweaver costs hundreds of dollars though.

I see Front Page 2003 for $65.

 

[Leythos]

The problem is that I can't afford much, I'm poor right now. But I want
to be able to sell online and need something with frames at least,
better than the very simple web pages I can write now.

I've been using HotDog Webmaster 6, an old version from Sausage, but
it's hard to even do frames with that.

I see Front Page for around $65 online, the full version. I don't know
what else I can afford for under $100.

There are free products and there is always NOTEPAD, which is what most
developers use once they learn how to code pages, it's almost quicker.

I've heard people say that Dream Weaver ain't so hot either, but it
costs hundreds, doesn't it?

Dreamweaver does a LOT of things that most packages only hope to do, and
it's a lot like using Photoshop instead of MS Paint (considering
graphics apps). People that complain about Dreamweaver either didn't
handle the learning curve or have something wrong with their head.

Is that "the thing" to use for nice pro looking sites?

You don't need any program to create websites, and frames are easy of
you spend a couple hours online learning from the zillions of free help
sites on how to create html/web sites.

In most cases you can even download a FREE website that has everything
you need, you just edit the text and you're up and running.

As for selling online, you don't need frames to sell on ebay.

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

I understand that Dreamweaver costs hundreds of dollars though.

I see Front Page 2003 for $65.

The vast majority of professional web designers use Dreamweaver, or maybe
Adobe GoLive!. (But Adobe has bougfht Macromedia who made Dreamweaver now,
so it is not clear what will happen to GoLive!). If you want to make your
site look professional you need to use something like Dreamweaver. I know
it pretty well, and I can tell you that it is not hard if you invest a bit
of time and read.

Anyway, nobody uses frames anymore - it's so late 90's.. They cause a lot
of problems and has been replaced by CSS for formatting.

ss.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

DW is like 600 bucks. But don't listen to everything you hear abt FP, it,
like DW is just a tool.
FP is less expensive and easier to learn, and is in it's sunset year as it
will be replaced by EWD sometime early next year.
And you can use either one to produce good sites, but don't think either one
will let you get away without learning some html and css because they wont.

Frames? YOu think you need frames?


|
| > In article <[email protected]>, (e-mail address removed)
| > says...
| >> I need to learn how to do professional quality web pages from home.
| >>
| >> Is Front Page part of any MS Office Suite?
| >>
| >> I was thinking that maybe I could pick it all up at once.
| >
| > The words Professional, Quality and Web Pages should never be used
| with
| > the words Front Page in the same document.
| >
| > Try Dream Weaver or other products.
| >
| > Some version of Office contain Front Page, but you can also purchase
| > Front Page alone.
| >
|
| The problem is that I can't afford much, I'm poor right now. But I want
| to be able to sell online and need something with frames at least,
| better than the very simple web pages I can write now.
|
| I've been using HotDog Webmaster 6, an old version from Sausage, but
| it's hard to even do frames with that.
|
| I see Front Page for around $65 online, the full version. I don't know
| what else I can afford for under $100.
|
| I've heard people say that Dream Weaver ain't so hot either, but it
| costs hundreds, doesn't it?
|
| Is that "the thing" to use for nice pro looking sites?
|
|
| --
| - Mama Bear

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

There are free products and there is always NOTEPAD, which is what most
developers use once they learn how to code pages, it's almost quicker.

Developers as apposed to designers. If she was going to use php, cgi
scripts, asp or similar I doubt she would be asking these questions.

You don't need any program to create websites, and frames are easy of
you spend a couple hours online learning from the zillions of free help
sites on how to create html/web sites.

In most cases you can even download a FREE website that has everything
you need, you just edit the text and you're up and running.

Yes, that's a point, she could just buy a professionally designed CSS
template and just add her own content. There are many free ones too.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enGB177&q=CSS+templates

ss.

 

[Mama Bear]

I don't think so, at least in the UK editions.

However, Dreamweaver is a lot better if you are serious about
webdesign, but it has a steeper learning curve. I'm not sure if
there will be a new version with Office 2007, which is about to be
realeased. I think MS is replacing it with the much improved
Microsoft Expression Web Designer , but it still won't be as good as
Dreamweaver.

http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/web_designer/default.m
spx

ss.

That looks interesting. Is it even released yet? Looks like it's not but
they're letting people try it for free and report back to them. Beta
testing?

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

That looks interesting. Is it even released yet? Looks like it's not but
they're letting people try it for free and report back to them. Beta
testing?

Yes.

ss.

 

[Mama Bear]

There are free products and there is always NOTEPAD, which is what
most developers use once they learn how to code pages, it's almost
quicker.

Well I've got Hotdog Webmaster 6, so I suppose that would be better than
note pad. Some better anyway.

It hangs every time I trigger a Shortkeys macro, and is a pain in the
butt that way. I could probably still fugure out how to do frames with
it, I suppose.

Dreamweaver does a LOT of things that most packages only hope to do,
and it's a lot like using Photoshop instead of MS Paint (considering
graphics apps). People that complain about Dreamweaver either didn't
handle the learning curve or have something wrong with their head.

LOL! I see we have a local school that has lab classes in it, but they
also have html prerequisite classes too, so it could take me a year to
learn and about $400 for the program if I go that route. Still it would
be a valuable and saleable skill, no?

Can people who can work in Dreamweaver make decent money with it? If so,
it might be worth the investment.

You don't need any program to create websites, and frames are easy of
you spend a couple hours online learning from the zillions of free
help sites on how to create html/web sites.

In most cases you can even download a FREE website that has
everything you need, you just edit the text and you're up and
running.

As for selling online, you don't need frames to sell on ebay.

Oh yeah, to sell on Ebay all you need is a local liquidator source,
which I don't have.

 

[Leythos]

Developers as apposed to designers. If she was going to use php, cgi
scripts, asp or similar I doubt she would be asking these questions.

Well, that's sort of the point. FP will let you create things that wont
run on many hosted sites, so what's the point.

I like DreamWeaver, but I use the text/code pages to make the real
changes, I just use q gui based editor to get things close and then do
the real work by hand.

Yes, that's a point, she could just buy a professionally designed CSS
template and just add her own content. There are many free ones too.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enGB177&q=CSS+templates

Buy is part of the problem, there are many free templates out there that
could be used and then edited in notepad, without cost.

In 1 hours time most people could grasp enough to edit a template.

 

[Mama Bear]

Developers as apposed to designers. If she was going to use php, cgi
scripts, asp or similar I doubt she would be asking these questions.

Greek to me, I've only done very simple web pages so far. I mean REALLY
simple.

Yes, that's a point, she could just buy a professionally designed CSS
template and just add her own content. There are many free ones too.

Still greek, sorry.

 

[Mama Bear]

The vast majority of professional web designers use Dreamweaver, or
maybe Adobe GoLive!. (But Adobe has bougfht Macromedia who made
Dreamweaver now, so it is not clear what will happen to GoLive!). If
you want to make your site look professional you need to use
something like Dreamweaver. I know it pretty well, and I can tell
you that it is not hard if you invest a bit of time and read.

Anyway, nobody uses frames anymore - it's so late 90's.. They cause
a lot of problems and has been replaced by CSS for formatting.

I wish I had an idea what you were talking about, but that's how basic I
am with all this. Here's the height of my design prowess so far:
http://www.AerobicSelfDefenseClubsOfAmerica.com/
http://www.PlanetaryBillOfRights.org/


Please don't laugh too hard. Yes, I know I need some skills and
learning, that's why I'm asking.

 

[Mama Bear]

Well, that's sort of the point. FP will let you create things that
wont run on many hosted sites, so what's the point.

I like DreamWeaver, but I use the text/code pages to make the real
changes, I just use q gui based editor to get things close and then
do the real work by hand.


Buy is part of the problem, there are many free templates out there
that could be used and then edited in notepad, without cost.

In 1 hours time most people could grasp enough to edit a template.

First I'd have to learn what CSS even was.

 

[Mama Bear]

DW is like 600 bucks. But don't listen to everything you hear abt FP,
it, like DW is just a tool.
FP is less expensive and easier to learn, and is in it's sunset year
as it will be replaced by EWD sometime early next year.
And you can use either one to produce good sites, but don't think
either one will let you get away without learning some html and css
because they wont.

Frames? YOu think you need frames?

Well I need to do better than this:
http://www.AerobicSelfDefenseClubsOfAmerica.com/
if I want to put some products up for sale on my own pages.

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

I wish I had an idea what you were talking about, but that's how basic I
am with all this. Here's the height of my design prowess so far:
http://www.AerobicSelfDefenseClubsOfAmerica.com/
http://www.PlanetaryBillOfRights.org/


Please don't laugh too hard. Yes, I know I need some skills and
learning, that's why I'm asking.

It's easiest to just you a basic link to describe CSS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascading_Style_Sheets

It is basically an extra file that the browser refers to for the formatting
and layout of the page. So the XHMTL page only has to describe the content,
referring to the CSS for the layout and formatting.

Frontpage has very poor CSS support and doesn't go by WWC standards. I
heard that the Expression Web Designer is much better in that respect and it
allows you too watch what it is doing with the raw code more easily. The
thing about Frontpage is that it made to look like Word as much as possible
so that it is easy to use. It is not a professional product at all.

I'd recoomend you invest in the money and the time to learn Dreamweaver if
you want professional results, and use CSS. An cheaper alternative would be
to just get a CSS template and read about them on the net to learn how to
edit them manually without using a program like Dreamweaver.

HTH

ss.

 

[Tom Willett]

Screw you, trollboy. A tool is only as good as its author. All you do is
troll these newsgroups with your bitter bile.

I used to wonder why you would hang out in MS newsgroups to bash MS
products. But, I know you have absolutely no life, no friends, no nothing.

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

Mama Bear -

I think you need to do some reading on what makes for a good website and
what doesn't. Anyone can learn a program but not everyone can create an
attractive site. You have less than 10 seconds to capture someone's
attention. Most of us have seen sites that are so gawd-awful ugly that we
don't care what the site says.

Do your first layout with pencil and paper then figure out how to do it with
whatever program you decide to use. (I'm a FrontPage user myself.)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

 

[Tony]

The problem is that I can't afford much, I'm poor right now. But I want
to be able to sell online and need something with frames at least,
better than the very simple web pages I can write now.

I've been using HotDog Webmaster 6, an old version from Sausage, but
it's hard to even do frames with that.

I see Front Page for around $65 online, the full version. I don't know
what else I can afford for under $100.

I've heard people say that Dream Weaver ain't so hot either, but it
costs hundreds, doesn't it?

Is that "the thing" to use for nice pro looking sites?

You could try NVU (http://www.nvu.com/index.php) which is a good WYSIWYG
editor. A little bit basic compared to Front Page and Dream Weaver but has
the big advantage that it is free (and it also works in Linux if you should
ever consider changing OS).

What ever package you use will not automatically produce a professional
looking website - its what you do with it that makes the difference.
Professional looking websites are produced using basic programs like
notepad. You will need to have a good understanding of HTML and CSS even
using Front Page and Dreamweaver. If you want to do it as a profession the
you will need to know about dynamically produced web pages which are
database driven and have a knowledge of PHP or ASP and how databases work.
There's also no getting away from having a good knowledge of how to use a
graphics program. It ain't easy. I've been doing it for 10 years and am
still learning new things.

A good shopping cart is Mal's e-commerce http://www.mals-e.com/ . Again it
is free and all you do is insert the html code in your pages. Has the big
advantage that you don't have to worry about security and a secure server -
Mal does it all for you. He's been around for years and is a very helpful
chap.

Another option is to use a content management system (CMS) like Joomla
(http://www.joomla.org/) and for online sales, you can add VirtueMart to it.

I personally think that CMS is the way forward because they are easy to set
up and you can have a client up and running in days instead of months if you
design something from scratch.