Odd Pantone color discrepancy

[Raphael Goubet]

Hi,

I'm making a composition in Publisher based on a Pantone color (Reflex
Blue). My composition must contain an EPS image, also in Reflex Blue.

When I open my EPS in Illustrator, the color is correctly displayed
and printed; in Publisher, all Publisher objects in the same color are
also correclty displayed and printed. Both Illustrator and Publisher
render the same color on screen.

However, when I import the EPS image into my composition, it displays
in a strikingly lighter blue. If I produce a PDF, the problem
persists, so it's not merely a Publisher screen rendering issue.

Any idea what's the problem?

Raphaël

 

[°°MS-Publisher°°]

Raphael are you EMBEDDING the EPS or LINKING the graphic?

If you are Embedding it, that is your problem.

 

[Raphael Goubet]

Indeed, I'm embedding it. I'll link it instead; thanks a lot.

But what does Publisher behave like that if I embed the EPS?

Raph

 

[Raphael Goubet]

I just tried to link the graphic instead of embed it, but it's exactly
the same: the EPS color is wrong.

 

[°°MS-Publisher°°]

Which version of Publisher are you using?

Have you applied all the Service Packs from the Office website?

When you LINK the picture, it should pass straight through.
Unless you are printing to a Postscript device, this will not happen.
You will need to be printing to a Postscript printer driver or making a PDF
with Acrobat Distiller.

 

[Raphael Goubet]

I'm using Publisher 2002. You seem to be right: although the result
is exactly the same on screen, the EPS and the Publisher objects in
Reflex Blue are almost the same color on a PDF. I say almost, because
it's still not exactly the same. I'll check my EPS further.

Thanks again for your help.

Raphael

 

[Mike Koewler]

Publisher might be using the older Pantone color standard.

Mike

 

[Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]]

In Raphael Goubet <[email protected]> posted:
|| I'm using Publisher 2002. You seem to be right: although the result
|| is exactly the same on screen, the EPS and the Publisher objects in
|| Reflex Blue are almost the same color on a PDF. I say almost, because
|| it's still not exactly the same. I'll check my EPS further.

What is the pantone number you are using?
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
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[Raphael Goubet]

What is the pantone number you are using?

It's Reflex Blue, an unnumbered basic Pantone tone.

Raphael

 

[Budget Print Center]

like quark and many other programs, publisher is giving you a view of the
eps, not the original. i believe there are settings to help minimize this,
but do you really need the view to match? when you print it, it should work
out fine. does it?

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"Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message

What is the pantone number you are using?

It's Reflex Blue, an unnumbered basic Pantone tone.

Raphael

 

[Budget Print Center]

uhh, nvm.... i saw that it didn't. i should really drink more coffee before
i come here.


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"Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message

What is the pantone number you are using?

It's Reflex Blue, an unnumbered basic Pantone tone.

Raphael

 

[Raphael Goubet]

I just thought about something obvious: I defined my composition in
CMYK. I guess I should have chosen CMYK and direct tones, right?

Raphael

 

[°°MS-Publisher°°]

An EPS in CMYK should work without any issues.

 

[Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]]

Hi Raphael Goubet ([email protected]),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| message ||
||| What is the pantone number you are using?
||
|| It's Reflex Blue, an unnumbered basic Pantone tone.

I am curious if it's the object you are dealing with. Are you able to upload
a sample eps image for us to test?

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[Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]]

Hi Mike Koewler ([email protected]),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| Publisher might be using the older Pantone color standard.

Curious Mike. What do you mean by Pantone color Standard? As in Pantone
released a newer version of Reflex Blue for example, and Publisher hasn't
incorporated it into it's pantone chart yet?
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[Mike Koewler]

Brian,

http://www.pantone.com/support/support.asp?idArticle=73&platform=PC

You can also download a pdf file that displays values as well as colors.

Mike

 

[Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]]

Hi Mike Koewler ([email protected]),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| Brian,
||
|| http://www.pantone.com/support/support.asp?idArticle=73&platform=PC
||
|| You can also download a pdf file that displays values as well as
|| colors.

Interesting...May of 2000.
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Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
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[Raphael Goubet]

The EPS refers to a Pantone color as well, but anyway, changing to
composition to CMYK+direct tone didn't solve the problem.

However, I found the source of discrepancy: when checking the colors
used in the Professional Printing Tools dialog box, I noticed that the
EPS, created by Adobe Illustrator, refers to Pantone Reflex Blue CV,
while the Publisher tone is Pantone Reflex Blue C. There is a small
difference of two units in Cyan and Yellow between both. Apparently,
Illustrator and Publisher standard do not match. The chart Mike
pointed to mentions a Reflex Blue PC, so I don't really understand why
the are so many Reflex Blue's in the first place. I think I'll have to
edit the EPS to make it comply correctly.

Brian asked if I could upload the EPS somewhere. Sorry, but I don't
think I'm allowed. It's a private company logo.

Raphael

 

[Budget Print Center]

c and cv are recognised as 2 totally different colors. so yes, your seps
would come out wacked. good investigative work.

 

[Budget Print Center]

btw.. the c,cv, etc are guides for how inks print on different types of
paper on the printing press. these programs try to emulate those effects.