.pdf documents in webpages for download?

[Thomboy]

OK, David, I read "ALL" the FileZilla information you suggeted, and do
understand NOW the difference between the local and server or right pane of
filezilla.

I will NOW refer to my C drive from now on as "local."

You sent me two posts, and talked about making a mistake labeling the server
side on the left when it is on the right. No problem, it caused me to pay
attention and on my own, I said, it has to be a typo, because the right side
is the server side.

Reading the "USING" Filezilla really cleared things up.

You talked about the GoDaddy's server pane, and insead of a right slash, I
have the picture of a folder followed by two dots ( .. )

With GoDaddy, there are many lines of folder and files, which follow:

When you see an F it means a picture of a folder
When you see an I it means an image file or folder
When you see A it means a .pdf file
When you see (e) it means the e you see with Internet Explorer -- I think

F ..
F _db_backups
F downloads (the file you asked me to create on my desktop)
F HOA DOWNLOADS
F HOA index files(s)
F index_files
F stats
A All four .pdf files in a row
(4x: AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf)
I 150 image files
(e) index.htm
I 60+ more image files, including index-image.gif and .jpg files
A one more .pdf file -- The landfill letter I want viewers to be able to
uplaod
(e) Ten pages all ending with .htm
2188
317
366
412
477
550
632
645
926
968

When I right click on any of the .pdf files and use the drop down options
"view/edit" the .pdf file opens and it can be read.

OK, now the assignment or exercise you asked me to complete:

I created a folder on my desktop called "downlaod" without the quotes.
I located the .pdf file "AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf" and copied
and pasted it inside the new "downloads" folders on my desktop.
I then changed the name of this folder to "test.pdf"

I kept wondering about the link written for the
"AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf" so I rewrote the link to say,
"http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf"

I then opened FileZilla, and found the new "download" folder on my desktop
in the local side of FileZilla, and once the path was open (entered Host,
Username, P/W and Port), I highlighted the "downloads" folder, then
highlighed (selected) it, I dragged it to the server side and it was now with
the other material noted above.

When I opened my website, and clicked on the actual
AMENDED_AND_RESTATE_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf file, a message said, contact your host
and correct the problem, or something like that.

In other words, the .pdf file was not viewable.

Now, another curve ball!!

When I went back to my desktop, and opened the "downloads" folder, after
closing FileZilla, not only was the "text.pdf" file there, but so were the
other five originally created .pdf files that were in the HOA DOWNLOADS
folder I created.

Something happened when I was at the FileZilla local side of the "downloads"
below the file pane, it showed only the "test.pdf" file so I highlighted it,
and rt clicked and chose "upload" and there is was on the server side under
file pane.

But, so were the other five .pdf files, which included the
AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_signed.pdf file.

Believe me when I say this, I followed your directions to the T.....

The only thing that could have happened is that when all the other F, I and
(e) files loaded from the local to the server side, the original poorly
written link to the .pdf file over rode the test.pdf file I created in the
"downloads" folder on my desktop.

Unless, and this is something I never checked, there was already a downloads
folder from the period before I replaced my mother board, chip, and hard
drives, and it copied over without me knowing it, and the "downloads" folder
was on the local drive somewhere and I did not see it.

Sorry to have made this so long, but there was no other way to try to give
you the information to help you assist me, without all the detail.

Thomboy

 

[Thomboy]

THIS IS A SECOND COPY JUST IN CASE COPY ONE DID NOT POST, BECAUSE I COULD
NEVER REWRITE ALL THE MATERIAL FOR YOUR READING.

THOMBOY
------------------------------

OK, David, I read "ALL" the FileZilla information you suggeted, and do
understand NOW the difference between the local and server or right pane of
filezilla.

I will NOW refer to my C drive from now on as "local."

You sent me two posts, and talked about making a mistake labeling the server
side on the left when it is on the right. No problem, it caused me to pay
attention and on my own, I said, it has to be a typo, because the right side
is the server side.

Reading the "USING" Filezilla really cleared things up.

You talked about the GoDaddy's server pane, and insead of a right slash, I
have the picture of a folder followed by two dots ( .. )

With GoDaddy, there are many lines of folder and files, which follow:

When you see an F it means a picture of a folder
When you see an I it means an image file or folder
When you see A it means a .pdf file
When you see (e) it means the e you see with Internet Explorer -- I think

F ..
F _db_backups
F downloads (the file you asked me to create on my desktop)
F HOA DOWNLOADS
F HOA index files(s)
F index_files
F stats
A All four .pdf files in a row
(4x: AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf)
I 150 image files
(e) index.htm
I 60+ more image files, including index-image.gif and .jpg files
A one more .pdf file -- The landfill letter I want viewers to be able to
uplaod
(e) Ten pages all ending with .htm
2188
317
366
412
477
550
632
645
926
968

When I right click on any of the .pdf files and use the drop down options
"view/edit" the .pdf file opens and it can be read.

OK, now the assignment or exercise you asked me to complete:

I created a folder on my desktop called "downlaod" without the quotes.
I located the .pdf file "AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf" and copied
and pasted it inside the new "downloads" folders on my desktop.
I then changed the name of this folder to "test.pdf"

I kept wondering about the link written for the
"AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf" so I rewrote the link to say,
"http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf"

I then opened FileZilla, and found the new "download" folder on my desktop
in the local side of FileZilla, and once the path was open (entered Host,
Username, P/W and Port), I highlighted the "downloads" folder, then
highlighed (selected) it, I dragged it to the server side and it was now with
the other material noted above.

When I opened my website, and clicked on the actual
AMENDED_AND_RESTATE_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf file, a message said, contact your host
and correct the problem, or something like that.

In other words, the .pdf file was not viewable.

Now, another curve ball!!

When I went back to my desktop, and opened the "downloads" folder, after
closing FileZilla, not only was the "text.pdf" file there, but so were the
other five originally created .pdf files that were in the HOA DOWNLOADS
folder I created.

Something happened when I was at the FileZilla local side of the "downloads"
below the file pane, it showed only the "test.pdf" file so I highlighted it,
and rt clicked and chose "upload" and there is was on the server side under
file pane.

But, so were the other five .pdf files, which included the
AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_signed.pdf file.

Believe me when I say this, I followed your directions to the T.....

The only thing that could have happened is that when all the other F, I and
(e) files loaded from the local to the server side, the original poorly
written link to the .pdf file over rode the test.pdf file I created in the
"downloads" folder on my desktop.

Unless, and this is something I never checked, there was already a downloads
folder from the period before I replaced my mother board, chip, and hard
drives, and it copied over without me knowing it, and the "downloads" folder
was on the local drive somewhere and I did not see it.

Sorry to have made this so long, but there was no other way to try to give
you the information to help you assist me, without all the detail.

Thomboy

 

[Rob Giordano [MS MVP]]

Dood...sorry to say this but you are totally "in the weeds".
Time to hire a webmaster.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression Web

 

[DavidF]

Thomboy,

It appears that you have managed to upload a lot of files and folders to
your web server in the past, and most of them are located in the wrong
place. It also appears that you still have not figured out what is your root
directory.

I am left confused. If you were successful in the first exercise of making a
change to your home page and another page, producing new web files and
uploading the new index.htm file and new index_files folder, then if you had
followed the same procedure and uploaded the new downloads folder with the
test.pdf file in it, then the following link would work:
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf when I click it...and it does not.
I also have tried http://www.lcn-hoa.com/test.pdf" and every other
combination that I can think of and the test.pdf file just does not appear
to be in your root directory. Nor does
AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf . I simply don't know how you managed
to upload new publisher web files successfully and fail to upload the
downloads folder.

When you uploaded the edited Publisher web files, did you actually load the
new pages in your browser and confirm that they had been uploaded? Somehow I
doubt it.

I think you are going to need to do some clean up of all those extra files
and folders on your server so you can see the forest for the trees. But
first let's take a step back and try a new exercise to help you identify the
root directory of your server.

Open your Publisher file and go to the CC&Rs & Legal page which right now is
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm . After the sentence: "Below
are the direct hot links ... to your home.", I want you to add the sentence:
"(Notice: PDF files are currently unavailable. Sorry for the inconvenience.
4/11/10)" You can substitute in some other words if your prefer to tell
people that the files are not available. Now Publish to the Web and produce
new web files and upload the new index.htm file and the new index_files
folder to your server. Confirm your success by loading that page
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm again and when you have that
done, come back and let me know. Don't do anything else...just upload the
new Publisher web files and let me know when you have that done.

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

I have responded to the other post. Let this thread die and stay with the
other one.

DavidF

 

[Thomboy]

PLEASE SEE MY REPLIES BELOW:

Thomboy,

It appears that you have managed to upload a lot of files and folders to
your web server in the past, and most of them are located in the wrong
place. It also appears that you still have not figured out what is your root
directory.

UNFORTUNATELY, YOU ARE CORRECT, AND TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, WHEN ALL MY
DESKTOP FOLDERS WERE SHOWN IN THE LOCAL SIDE OF FILEZILLA, BELOW THE LOCAL
SITE PANE, WHERE THEY ARE SHOWN BY FILENAME, ETC. I MADE A BIG BLUNDER, AND
WAS SO TIRED (IT WAS 2 A.M.) THAT I HIGHLIGHTED THEM ALL, THEN DRUG THEM BACK
UP INTO THE DESKTOP FOLDER OF THE LOCAL SITE, AND TALK ABOUT A MESS!! NOT
ONLY DID I HAVE TWO OF MOST OF THE FOLDERS I HAD, NOW A VAST MAJORITY OF .PDF
FILES FOR DIFFERENT USER MANUALS WERE GONE. AFTER READING ROB'S REPLY TO
WHAT HE READ, I WAS DETERMINED TO FIX MY MESS, AND BY 2 AM I WAS TOO TIRED TO
THINK CORRECTLY.

I am left confused. If you were successful in the first exercise of making a
change to your home page and another page, producing new web files and
uploading the new index.htm file and new index_files folder, then if you had
followed the same procedure and uploaded the new downloads folder with the
test.pdf file in it, then the following link would work:
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf when I click it...and it does not.

YES, DAVID, EVEN THOUGH I DID ERASE THE ABSOLUTE LINK PATH NAMES TO EACH OF
THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS ON THE LEGAL PAGE, AND THEN CREATED A NEW ABSOLUTE LINK,
AND CLICKED ON SAVE AFTER EACH ONE, THE OLD ORIGINAL LINK PATH NAME REMAINED
AS THEY WERE BEFORE I DELETED THEM.

FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE LINK PATH NAMES I WROTE THAT DID NOT HOLD
WAS: http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf

I EVEN WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF "PUBLISH TO THE WEB" TO CREATE A NEW
index_file, AND WHEN PUBLISHER ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO REPLACE THE OLD INDEX
FILE, I CLICKED ON YES.

I also have tried http://www.lcn-hoa.com/test.pdf" and every other
combination that I can think of and the test.pdf file just does not appear
to be in your root directory. Nor does
AMENDED_AND_RESTATED_BYLAWS_Signed.pdf . I simply don't know how you managed
to upload new publisher web files successfully and fail to upload the
downloads folder.

WHEN I CLICK ON THE FAMOUS "AMENDED AND RESTATED BYLAWS Signed," and click
on properties for this folder, I get: C:\Users\Thom\Documents\HOA Index
Files\HOA DOWNLOADS--NOT THE WAY I CREATED THE LINK PATH.

I WON'T SAY WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE NEITHER OF US KNOW. BUT, I AM NOT GOING
TO GIVE UP, AND I MAY GO DOWN IN YOUR HISTORY BOOK AS THE DUMBEST OF YOUR
STUDENTS.

When you uploaded the edited Publisher web files, did you actually load the
new pages in your browser and confirm that they had been uploaded? Somehow I
doubt it.

QUESTION: OK, <HOW DO I CONFIRM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN UPLOADED>? AS
RUDIMENTARY AS THIS MAY BE, I COULD BE MISSING A CRITICAL STEP IN THIS WHOLE
MESS. IF I CANNOT CONFIRM THEY WERE UPLOADED THEN I AM REALLY IN THE WEEDS.

I think you are going to need to do some clean up of all those extra files
and folders on your server so you can see the forest for the trees. But
first let's take a step back and try a new exercise to help you identify the
root directory of your server.

DAVID, YOU ARE SO CORRECT. I HATE TO ADMIT THIS, BECAUSE IT WILL VALIDATE
WHAT TOO MANY PEOPLE SAY, "THOSE WHO CAN DO, AND THOSE WHO CAN'T TEACH." I
WAS A MANAGEMENT PROFESSOR AT A UNIVERISTY FOR 27 YEARS, AND KNEW THE SUBJECT
WELL. I TOO HAD SOME VERY DENSE STUDENTS, BUT I WAS NEVER WILLING TO GIVE
UP. TO THIS DAY I HEAR BACK FROM THOSE "DENSE" STUDENTS WHO WERE IN MY
CLASSES 30 YEARS AGO, AND WHO TODAY ARE GREAT PEOPLE AND TRYING TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IN OUR BUSINESS WORLD. YES, I AM OLD, BUT NOT TOO OLD TO LEARN.

Open your Publisher file and go to the CC&Rs & Legal page which right now is
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm . After the sentence: "Below
are the direct hot links ... to your home.", I want you to add the sentence:
"(Notice: PDF files are currently unavailable. Sorry for the inconvenience.
4/11/10)" You can substitute in some other words if your prefer to tell
people that the files are not available. Now Publish to the Web and produce
new web files and upload the new index.htm file and the new index_files
folder to your server. Confirm your success by loading that page
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm again and when you have that
done, come back and let me know. Don't do anything else...just upload the
new Publisher web files and let me know when you have that done.

DAVID, AT 69 YEARS OLD, I AM FINALLY SAYING WHAT I OFTEN USED TO THINK ABOUT
MY STUDENTS, "HOW CAN I BE SO STUPID?" WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT NOW I
UNDERSTAND HOW THEY FELT, AND HOW GRATEFUL I AM THAT YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE.

------------------------------
I WILL COMPLETE THE EXERCISE AND DO MY VERY BEST NOT TO BOTCH IT UP THIS TIME.
------------------------------

I HAVE MET VERY FEW PEOPLE WITH YOUR WILLINGNESS TO PERSEVERE WHEN THE
PERSON YOU ARE HELPING APPEARS TO BE SO DENSE, AND NOT ONLY THAT, CONTINUES
TO SEND HELP WAY BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY. I HAD TO ADMIT TO MY WIFE TODAY AT
BREAKFAST THAT I HAD MET SOMEONE MORE COMPASSIONATE AND TENACIOUS THAN I WAS,
AND SOMEONE I WOULD LOVE TO MEET IN PERSON TO THANK.

THOMBOY

 

[Thomboy]

OK, done, mission accomplished!

I just happened to run across a short reply your wrote to someone a few
years back about publishing to the web (part of creating the website at your
web host). What I wasn't doing well was watching where the the folder was
located into which I placed the new or updated index.htm file (when the save
in dialog box comes up look in the left column. Click on on My Documents,
locate the folder in which the index.htm file goes and Save in that folder).
The stuff in the parens is yours.

In the past few days, I have been sloppy and forgot all that information,
and was not paying attention to the "Save In" dialog box, which was not the
HOA Index older among the different folders in "my documents," hence, I kept
using the older index.htm file created on 4/8, instead of today, 4/11.

OK, I am now a bit wiser, but not there yet.

What next, professor?

Thomboy

 

[DavidF]

Thomboy,

I am not going to bother answering or addressing most what you posted in
this message as you posted your success in the other post.

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

OK, good. You are making progress.

To answer one of the questions to your other post, to confirm that you
managed to upload the new Publisher web files, you simply check to see if
they are there by clicking on the link and viewing the page in your browser.
For example I can see that you did manage to change the CC&Rs & Legal page
by clicking:
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm
And if you want to make sure that the page you are viewing in your browser
is not an old cached page, then use Ctrl + F5 to force a full reload of the
page from the server.

Ok, your success suggests that you have figured out where the root directory
on the web server is. I want you to again load this page:
http://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Using and scroll down to the screen shot
of filezilla. Now note that the "public_html" folder is highlighted in the
remote site pane. Now, log on to your server use FileZilla and make note of
what is highlighted in the remote site pane for your web server. I am
guessing it is a folder with the .. beside it, correct? That is your root
directory, or root folder if you prefer. Under that root folder should be
other folders and files including your Publisher web files. You may need to
click the + sign to expand the folder.

However, you might still not be able to see the forest for the trees, so
your next job is to clean out all the misc. files and folders on your server
in the root directory. You posted earlier a listing of all your files and
folders on the right pane, the server pane or the remote site. I want you to
log on to your server using FileZilla and go through and click each file or
folder that does not belong there and delete them. IF you truly have 150
loose image files then after you select and delete a couple of them remember
that you can hold down your Ctrl key and select as many as you want, and
thus delete a few more at a time. And if all the image files are together
you can select the first one, hold down the shift key and scroll down to the
last one and click it and all files will be selected and you can delete more
that way. Just be very careful to not delete files or folder that you do not
intend. You can also postpone this cleanup if you want and skip ahead, but
eventually you should clean up the server.

DO NOT delete the Godaddy files and folders which include at least the first
two items in your list or the stats folder:

F ..
F _db_backups
F stats

Also do not delete the index.htm file or the index_files folder.

And yes, get rid of what appears to be the HOA DOWNLOADS folder. If you are
not sure that a file or folder is one you generated, then leave it alone.

Once you have the server cleaned up then go to your local computer desktop
and double click the "downloads" folder. If there is a "test.pdf" file
inside then double click it and confirm that it opens in your Adobe Reader.

Now assuming that you are still logged in with FileZilla make sure that your
root directory or root folder is selected in the remote site pane. Then find
the "downloads" folder on the local pane on your desktop, right click it and
choose upload. Forget the drag and drop for now as last time you apparently
dropped the folder somewhere other than in the root directory. *Once again
just make sure the root folder is selected in the remote pane* before you
start uploading. If your upload is successful then you should see a
downloads folder inline with your index_files folder. Click it in the remote
pane and the contents which is hopefully the test.pdf file should appear in
the files pane on the remote server.

Now if you go back to http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm and
click the link to Corporation Bylaws for the Home Owners' Association of La
Canada Norte you should start downloading/loading the test.pdf file as the
link inserted is http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf. If you are
successful, then report back.

DavidF

 

[Thomboy]

OK, when you make mention of a part of the FileZilla screen--local or
remote--I know what you are talking about and that is a big step forward; in
the past, I got lucky and the index_files and the index.htm loaded by
accident. Now, I know how to check to see if they did.

More questions are within you instructions below with **before the question.

OK, good. You are making progress.

To answer one of the questions to your other post, to confirm that you
managed to upload the new Publisher web files, you simply check to see if
they are there by clicking on the link and viewing the page in your browser.
For example I can see that you did manage to change the CC&Rs & Legal page
by clicking:
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm
And if you want to make sure that the page you are viewing in your browser
is not an old cached page, then use Ctrl + F5 to force a full reload of the
page from the server.

**When you say, click on the http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm,
where is it found?

Ok, your success suggests that you have figured out where the root directory
on the web server is. I want you to again load this page:
http://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Using and scroll down to the screen shot
of filezilla. Now note that the "public_html" folder is highlighted in the
remote site pane. Now, log on to your server use FileZilla and make note of
what is highlighted in the remote site pane for your web server. I am
guessing it is a folder with the .. beside it, correct? That is your root
directory, or root folder if you prefer. Under that root folder should be
other folders and files including your Publisher web files. You may need to
click the + sign to expand the folder.

**It was there the last time I reported all the F, I and (e) folders on the
remote side below below the file name. When you say, make note of what is in
the remote site pane for your web server, I assume you mean below the file
name?

However, you might still not be able to see the forest for the trees, so
your next job is to clean out all the misc. files and folders on your server
in the root directory. You posted earlier a listing of all your files and
folders on the right pane, the server pane or the remote site. I want you to
log on to your server using FileZilla and go through and click each file or
folder that does not belong there and delete them. IF you truly have 150
loose image files then after you select and delete a couple of them remember
that you can hold down your Ctrl key and select as many as you want, and
thus delete a few more at a time. And if all the image files are together
you can select the first one, hold down the shift key and scroll down to the
last one and click it and all files will be selected and you can delete more
that way. Just be very careful to not delete files or folder that you do not
intend. You can also postpone this cleanup if you want and skip ahead, but
eventually you should clean up the server.

**I will do the cleaning, but one more quesion. How can I check before the
deleting process begins on the remote root directory to identify the unneeded
files? I can easily open the HOA Index Files Folder on my local drive, but
is there any easy way to list them all, without hand writing them one by one?

DO NOT delete the Godaddy files and folders which include at least the first
two items in your list or the stats folder:

F ..
F _db_backups
F stats

Also do not delete the index.htm file or the index_files folder.

And yes, get rid of what appears to be the HOA DOWNLOADS folder. If you are
not sure that a file or folder is one you generated, then leave it alone.

**I assume you are telling me to delete the HOA DOWNLOADS folder due to the
poorly written links, or to prevent them from loading again?

I will check to be sure I have copies of all the legal .pdf files before I
delete the HOA DOWNLOADS folder on the remote root directory. If you
remember I stupidly highlighted all the files and folders on the local side
below file name, then drug them up and back into the destop icon on the local
side, above the file name area. I still haven't found all the missing
downloads of important files that were stored on the desktop, but that is
another task.

Once you have the server cleaned up then go to your local computer desktop
and double click the "downloads" folder. If there is a "test.pdf" file
inside then double click it and confirm that it opens in your Adobe Reader.

**Will do.

Now assuming that you are still logged in with FileZilla make sure that your
root directory or root folder is selected in the remote site pane. Then find
the "downloads" folder on the local pane on your desktop, right click it and
choose upload. Forget the drag and drop for now as last time you apparently
dropped the folder somewhere other than in the root directory. *Once again
just make sure the root folder is selected in the remote pane* before you
start uploading. If your upload is successful then you should see a
downloads folder inline with your index_files folder. Click it in the remote
pane and the contents which is hopefully the test.pdf file should appear in
the files pane on the remote server.

**When you say to make sure the root folder in the remote pane is
highlighted, before "downloads" in the local pane is uploaded, you are
referring to the "downloads" folder in the root folder in the remote pane,
correct?

Now if you go back to http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm and
click the link to Corporation Bylaws for the Home Owners' Association of La
Canada Norte you should start downloading/loading the test.pdf file as the
link inserted is http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf. If you are
successful, then report back.

**OK, I will keep moving along. I hope my questions are easy to answer so
you don't have to waste too much time so I can procede.

Thanks, Thomboy

 

[DavidF]

Response in-line:

OK, when you make mention of a part of the FileZilla screen--local or
remote--I know what you are talking about and that is a big step forward;
in
the past, I got lucky and the index_files and the index.htm loaded by
accident. Now, I know how to check to see if they did.

More questions are within you instructions below with **before the
question.



**When you say, click on the
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm,
where is it found?

I use Outlook Express to read this newsgroup, and
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm displays as an active link
for me. I need only click on it to open that page in my default browser. If
it is not active for you, then you might need to copy and paste it into the
address of your browser.

**It was there the last time I reported all the F, I and (e) folders on
the
remote side below below the file name. When you say, make note of what is
in
the remote site pane for your web server, I assume you mean below the file
name?

When you log in to your web host server using FileZilla then the folder that
is highlighted in the remote site is your root folder or root directory.
Remember that in this case the word "folder" equals "directory". I used the
filezilla example just to illustrate how the root directory or root folder
is automatically highlighted/selected when you log on . In that example case
the web host root folder is "public_html". I suggest that you make note of
this because in the past I believe that you have probably uploaded to a
different directory...a different folder, and that is why your links have
not been working. The whole point of this comparison was to make sure you
recognized what folder in the remote site needed to be highlighted/selected
in order for your default uploads to go to the correct place.

**I will do the cleaning, but one more quesion. How can I check before
the
deleting process begins on the remote root directory to identify the
unneeded
files? I can easily open the HOA Index Files Folder on my local drive,
but
is there any easy way to list them all, without hand writing them one by
one?

For now leave the cleaning alone, but ultimately the only files and folders
you want on your server are the index.htm file, the index_files folder,
which are your Publisher web files, plus the GoDaddy files and folders and
ultimately the folder that contains your files that you want to make
available to for download. Read the following part of my last post again to
help you define what files to keep and what to delete.

If you are ever in doubt about deleting a file, then don't do it. I just
wanted you to be able to see the important files and folders on the web
server. You can also rename a file and add a ".old" extension. Then if you
find that you actually need that file or folder you can always rename it
again and remove the .old.

Also if you have accidently deleted a pdf file on your local computer and
don't have a backup (shame, shame), then you can download those pdf files
from the remote server if you need them.

**I assume you are telling me to delete the HOA DOWNLOADS folder due to
the
poorly written links, or to prevent them from loading again?

Once again my primary reason for deleting the old files and folders was to
help you find the important files and folder on your server. And once again,
don't bother deleting for now. In fact if you think that you might need the
pdf files within the HOA DOWNLOADS folder, then by all means keep them. If
you deleted the pdf files within the HOA DOWNLOADS folder on your local
computer, then you can download them from the server.

I have been trying to simplify things for you, but it may be that you will
want to move this whole folder or the files within it into the root folder
rather than delete it and upload everything again. So...just leave it alone
for now. Personally I think your default folder name on your sever should be
called "downloads" rather than "HOA_DOWNLOADS", because you will be less
likely to make mistakes writing your links to your pdf files, but if you
really prefer to use the other folder name for the folder that will contain
your pdf files for downloading, then that is utimately your choice.

I will check to be sure I have copies of all the legal .pdf files before I
delete the HOA DOWNLOADS folder on the remote root directory. If you
remember I stupidly highlighted all the files and folders on the local
side
below file name, then drug them up and back into the destop icon on the
local
side, above the file name area. I still haven't found all the missing
downloads of important files that were stored on the desktop, but that is
another task.

**Will do.

**When you say to make sure the root folder in the remote pane is
highlighted, before "downloads" in the local pane is uploaded, you are
referring to the "downloads" folder in the root folder in the remote pane,
correct?

Going back to the first part of my response today...it is important that the
root directory or folder is highlighted/selected in the remote pane before
you try to upload the downloads folder. If you don't then it will not be in
the root directory and the links you write won't work. That is the
fundamental mistake I believe you have been making and why your links have
not been working. The bottom line is that if you correctly upload the
"downloads" folder with the "test.pdf" file into your root folder, then this
link will work: http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf and that is
currently the link you have inserted on your site.

DavidF

 

[Thomboy]

OK, DAVID, A FEW COMMENTS IN-LINE, BUT SOON I WILL NEED A SEEING EYE DOG TO
FIND OUR POSTS

Response in-line:






I use Outlook Express to read this newsgroup, and
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/index_files/Page632.htm displays as an active link
for me. I need only click on it to open that page in my default browser. If
it is not active for you, then you might need to copy and paste it into the
address of your browser.

I HAVEN'T USED OUTLOOOK EXPRESS FOR YEARS, BUT I AM SURE IT CAN BE FOUND
ONLINE. ALL THIS TIME, I KEPT WONDERING HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THOSE LINKS
FROM ANOTHER COMPUTER, AND NOW I KNOW.

When you log in to your web host server using FileZilla then the folder that
is highlighted in the remote site is your root folder or root directory.
Remember that in this case the word "folder" equals "directory". I used the
filezilla example just to illustrate how the root directory or root folder
is automatically highlighted/selected when you log on . In that example case
the web host root folder is "public_html". I suggest that you make note of
this because in the past I believe that you have probably uploaded to a
different directory...a different folder, and that is why your links have
not been working. The whole point of this comparison was to make sure you
recognized what folder in the remote site needed to be highlighted/selected
in order for your default uploads to go to the correct place.

IT WAS AN ESSENTIAL POINT, BECAUSE YOU ARE CORRECT, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT
THE FOLDER IN THE REMOTE SITE HAD TO BE "HIGHLIGHTED" BEFORE I CLICKED ON THE
FOLDER IN THE LOCAL SIDE FOR UPLOAD.
AMEN, ABOUT THE FOREST FOR THE TREES.

For now leave the cleaning alone, but ultimately the only files and folders
you want on your server are the index.htm file, the index_files folder,
which are your Publisher web files, plus the GoDaddy files and folders and
ultimately the folder that contains your files that you want to make
available to for download. Read the following part of my last post again to
help you define what files to keep and what to delete.

If you are ever in doubt about deleting a file, then don't do it. I just
wanted you to be able to see the important files and folders on the web
server. You can also rename a file and add a ".old" extension. Then if you
find that you actually need that file or folder you can always rename it
again and remove the .old.

Also if you have accidently deleted a pdf file on your local computer and
don't have a backup (shame, shame), then you can download those pdf files
from the remote server if you need them.

BELIEVE ME, THEY ARE IN THE "HOA" FOLDER IN WHICH ARE MANY OTHER FILES,
INCLUDING THE ORIGINAL .PUB FILE AND THREE BACKSUPS OF IT WITH OTHER
EXTENSION, e.g. HOA Website 1.pub; HOA Website Revised 4-10-10; HOA Website
NBUG.pub. THESE ARE BASICALLY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE SAME .PUB FILE, WITH
DIFFERENT LINKS FOR THE LEGAL FOLDER ON THE ORIGINAL .PUB FILE.

I USE ACRONIS REGULARLY TO BACK UP MY LOCAL DRIVE, AND HAVE TWO HARD DRIVES
WORKING IN TANDEM, USING RAID ONE, SO IN CASE ONE FAILS, AND ACRONIS DOES
TOO, I HAVE HARD DRIVE TWO WHICH IS EXACTLY A DUPLICATE OF HARD DRIVE ONE TO
FALL BACK ONTO.

EVERY ENTRY ON HARD DRIVE ONE IS MADE ON HARD DRIVE TWO EXACTLY WITHOUT ANY
CHANGE WHEN USNG RAID ONE.

Once again my primary reason for deleting the old files and folders was to
help you find the important files and folder on your server. And once again,
don't bother deleting for now. In fact if you think that you might need the
pdf files within the HOA DOWNLOADS folder, then by all means keep them. If
you deleted the pdf files within the HOA DOWNLOADS folder on your local
computer, then you can download them from the server.

I have been trying to simplify things for you, but it may be that you will
want to move this whole folder or the files within it into the root folder
rather than delete it and upload everything again. So...just leave it alone
for now. Personally I think your default folder name on your sever should be
called "downloads" rather than "HOA_DOWNLOADS", because you will be less
likely to make mistakes writing your links to your pdf files, but if you
really prefer to use the other folder name for the folder that will contain
your pdf files for downloading, then that is utimately your choice.

THE NAME HOA_DOWNLOADS FOLDER, AND I CAN SEE WHY THE UNDERSCORE SUCKS,
BECAUSE IT IS TOO EASY TO NOT SEE THE UNDERSCORE, SEEMED TO KEEP ALL MY
FOLDERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOA TOGETHER. ON MY ROOT DIRECTORY ON MY LOCAL
DRIVE OF MY COMPUTER, I HAVE: HOA; HOA Index Files; HOA Landscaping; and HOA
WEB, where I keep all of your replies and suggestions to clean up this whole
darned mess.

Going back to the first part of my response today...it is important that the
root directory or folder is highlighted/selected in the remote pane before
you try to upload the downloads folder. If you don't then it will not be in
the root directory and the links you write won't work. That is the
fundamental mistake I believe you have been making and why your links have
not been working. The bottom line is that if you correctly upload the
"downloads" folder with the "test.pdf" file into your root folder, then this
link will work: http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf and that is
currently the link you have inserted on your site.

YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD; THIS WAS MY PROBLEM FROM DAY ONE--NOT
HIGHLIGHTING THE ROOT DIRECTORY OR ROOT FOLDER ON THE REMOTE SIDE, BELOW FILE
NAME, WHEN I DID MY UPLOADS UDING FILEZILLA. THIS WAS A BIG STEP FORWARD FOR
ME!!!!

THANKS, AND I WILL GET THE NEXT ASSIGNMENT DONE AND REPORT BACK.

THOMBOY

P.S. DO THEY HAVE ANOTHER WAY OF NOTING IN-LINE WHAT IS OLD AND WHAT IS
NEW, BECAUSE PRETTY SOON IT IS DROPPING BREAD CRUMBS TO FIND MY WAY BACK

 

[Thomboy]

David, you now get a three day reprieve from me.

My wife's 88 year old mother fell at her home of Indio, CA., and has
suffered significant trauma. I will leave shortly to accoompany my wife
there, and once we determine the degree of her injuries, I will drive back
alone to Tucson, against my surgeon's orders, to begin again with your
suggested fixes.

I will be back in touch on Thursday, 4-15, when I will complete the next
assignment.

Again, thanks, and I will be back on task in four days.

Best, Thomboy

 

[DavidF]

Have a safe trip and I hope your mother-in-law recovers quickly.

DavidF

 

[Thomboy]

All is well, but my mother in law must now move to an assisted living
facility, where she can be helped with many normal everyday tasks. My wife
is transporting her there now back in Seattle.

--------------------------------

OK, I went to FileZilla and read two times the section called, "Before You
Ask." Quite frankly, I have been guilty of many of the faults that newbees
make, especially NOT writing my quesitons to show I did my homework, and also
not looking for answers in the many posts at the Publisher website, before I
placed a NEW post at this site. The reading was both helpful and humbling.

I also reread the "FileZilla Client Tutorial," the "Site Manager" folder,
and two times the "Using - From Filezilla Wiki" folder.

One simple question I need to ask, and forgive for copying what appears in
the FileZilla "Using," folder/file.

"If one successfully connects to the FileZilla site, and does things
correctly, s/he should see a list of files and folders on the right side of
the main window. The current folder is listed at in the edit field on the
top. Below you will see the remote directory tree and below that, the
contents of the current remote folder."

This may sound naive, but are the contents in the remote folder all my
images, folders, etc that are included at my HOA "Go Daddy" Website? In
other words, only stuff at my HOA website is there, and nothing else.
Correct??

If so, then cleanup will be much easier. And, yes, you asked me NOT to do
any cleanup yet, but this Q. has been bugging me for some time.

I intend tomorrow to get back to the job at hand and complete the next
assignment(s), before my wife returns next Thursday.

Thanks for the cordial reply to my message about a reprieve from me.

Thomboy
--------------------------------------

 

[Rob Giordano [MS MVP]]

There may be stuff in those folders that you should NOT touch, that are
related to your web that but you didn't create. Do not do SpringCleaning
yet!...or probably ever.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression Web

 

[DavidF]

Not every file and folder listed on the remote folder/pane are files or
folders that you put up there. GoDaddy has placed some folders on the
server. I don't want to go back to that list you generated but if I remember
correctly you had at least a backup and a stats file/folder that was
produced by GoDaddy. DO NOT start wholesale cleaning of misc. files on the
server! It is important that you do not delete the GoDaddy files and
folders. Yes, it might be nice to eventually tidy things up on the server,
but it will not hurt a thing to leave all those extra files and folder alone
indefinitely. Don't loose sight of what your goals are...so forget all that
for now.

To review and summarize:

I had you produce new Publisher web files: the index.htm file (your home
page) and the index_files folder and upload them. The primary goals were to
help you remember the basics of how to produce Publisher web files, how to
upload files and folders using FileZilla and identify the root
director/folder on the server. You accomplished that. Now it is just a
matter of uploading the "downloads" folder with the "test.pdf" file within
it from your local computer to the same root directory/folder on the server.
When you do that the link: http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf will
work.

Once you get the test.pdf file link to work, then it is just a matter of
uploading the other pdf files you want to make available for download to the
"downloads" folder. Remember we discussed the need to select the target
folder in FileZilla. In other words you don't upload to the default root
directory/folder, you select the "downloads" folder and upload to it. The
links to those files will be the same as to your test file, but you change
the file name.

That's it...don't over think it.

DavidF

 

[Thomboy]

David:

We health care academics have a term for what you call, "don't over think
it."

We call it "analysis paralysis," which is due in part to all the tests we
have to run when testing our hypotheses (analysis of variance, regression,
t-tests) to prove that one's hypothesis is valid. Too often refereed
journals will not accept a written study when we don't use the proper tests
for significance--at the .01, but no less than .05 level of significance.
Worse, if we use the wrong tests, we can accept a type one error--finding
that what we think is a valid result was created by using the wrong
statistical tool for the analysis.

Imagine if a study was done to determine if one's diet "could" produce
abnormally high levels cholesterol (over 250) with significant aterial
blockage, and subsequent MIs or heart attacks. Further, assume the
investigators chose a small sample size (only 1,000) for this five-year
longitudinal study to test their hypotheses. This population or sample size
was too small and was from Japan where the population do not consume as much
beef, but more fish and vegetables and their resulting levels of cholesterol
and arterial blockage are usually insignificant, with less significant heart
disease. Unfortunaely, due in part to western influence, men in Japan are
facing the same cardiovascular problems as men in the U.S.

This would be classified as a poorly contrived study, using inappropriate
tests to determine significance.

I suffer from that malady -- analysis paralysis -- and often overanalyze
what could be simple by getting off on some tangent, and becoming lost in the
forest, because I have not adequately marked the trees, with no way to get
home.

You are helping me get home, and to STOP me from over anaylzing the obvious,
but having said that, maybe now you can understand how it was possible for me
to overthink stuff.

My goal today is: upload the "downloads" folder with the "test.pdf" file
within it from my local computer to the same root directory/folder on the
server. When I do this correctly, the link:
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf will work.

Many thanks, my friend,

Thomboy

 

[Thomboy]

I have deleted the folder HOA Downloads with copies of the four .pdf legal
pages in it, BUT I saved copies elsewhere. I never see, any longer, that
folder on either side of the main FileZilla window -- local or remote.

I then began to open and close folders on the remote site in the edit field
to check on what loaded.

I have NO IDEA where a folder called, "HOA - Website Files" came from on the
remote site edit field, unless my .pub file creates it when I click "Publish
to the Web?" In the edit field of the remote site, I can see the famous ..
folder, which allows one to go up to the parent directory of the current
folder.

In the edit field of the remote site, I can also see three different "HOA -
Website Files," but each one has a different index_files and an index.htm
folder. I know I can delete all of these, but no where in the edit field of
the remote site is the folder called, "HOA Index Files," shown in the local
site edit field found?

Inside of the HOA Index Files Folder on my local site, edit field, are my
most recently created "downloads," "index_files," and "index.htm" with the
most current date and time when created--today at 12 PM.

In the edit field of the remote site, each of the "HOA - Website Files"
folders in them have a different date as being modified, but only the first
one has the "downloads" folder with the test.pdf file inside.

The rest of the "HOA - Website Files" folders have earlier dated index_files
and index.htm folders in them

I am inclined to delete all the "HOA - Website Files Folders", on the remote
site, edit field, and keep ONLY the first one that contains the correctly
modified download folder; the correct index_files and index.htm folders.

What do you say, and why won't the "HOA Index Files" (that I created) from
the "local site edit field" show in the "edit field of the remote site"?
Maybe I am "lost in the weeds" as Rob implied, but I just cannot understand
why the "HOA Index Files" folders in the edit field local site cannot be seen
in the edit field of the remote site?

This is after signing into FileZilla.

I think I am finally on top of this process and do understand what files and
folders are on both sides of the main FileZilla menu, and that is why I am
perplexed about those darn HOA - Website Files that show only in the edit
field of the remote site.

Thomboy

 

[DavidF]

You have again strayed from the path and gotten lost in the forest.

You still have not uploaded the downloads folder with the test.pdf file
within, to your root folder on the server as this link still does not work:
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf .

All the other misc. files and folder on your server are there from the past
when you uploaded them from your local machine. They have nothing to do with
your objective of making the pdf file available to download, so please
forget about them for now.

The only folders other than the GoDaddy folders that matter on your server
are the "index_files" folder and the "downloads" folder that should be at
the same directory level as the "index.htm" file. On the remote server they
should be in the root directory folder.

When you click on the link to your website: http://www.lcn-hoa.com the
browser will look for the index.htm file in the root folder...NOT in any of
the other misc. folders you have on your local machine or have mistakenly
uploaded to the remote server. When you click on the link:
http://www.lcn-hoa.com/downloads/test.pdf then the browser will look for
test.pdf file within the downloads folder within the root folder.

So once again, please get back on track and just upload the downloads folder
with the test.pdf file within it to the root directory just like you did the
index.htm file and the index_files folder.

DavidF