start to finish relationship

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maria burried in the oilsands

hello,

i'm heaving a hard time wrapping my head around the start to finish
relationship
eg. task B has a 1sf relationship with task A
- i don't understand why i wouldn't just list task B first and have a task A
with a predecessor value of 1 (task B)??
- can anyone give me a practical application for this?

thanks
maria
 
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Rod Gill

HI,

A SF relationship lets you schedule backwards for some tasks. Say there is
an important presentation with a fixed date, you can schedule the
preparation tasks for it using SF and so see what dates you need to finish
them by in order to be ready for the presentation.

--

Rod Gill
Project MVP


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Steve House [MVP]

I like to think of the predecessor as being the "controlling" task while the
successor is the "controlled." Successor doesn't necessarily follow
predecessor in time sequence but rather it is that the timing of the
predecessor that determines the timing of the successor. In a SF
relationship, the start time of the controlling task drives the finish time
of the controlled task. People tend to think the desired timing is what
determines links and they always proceed sequentially but that is really not
true - it is the process logic that drives the links and the links in turn
create the timing.

Here's an example: We are holding a conference with meetings that run
thorugh the morning. After the meeting we'll have lunch. It is the finish
time of the last meeting that determines when we'll start serving lunch.
The last meeting is the predecessor and the lunch is the successor, linked
in a conventional FS relationship - so far so good.

But we also need to set up the banquet room. We want it timed so they just
finish the setup at the time we start lunch - finish too early and the ice
in the water glasses and the butter will melt before the guests get there.
Finish too late and the crew will still be setting up and in the way when
the guests begin to arrive. In other words, the time we *start* serving
lunch needs to control the time by which we need to *finish* setting up the
room. If our meeting gets extended, that delays the serving of lunch and
that, in turn, should delay the time we start setting up the room. So we
link "Serve Lunch" to "Setup Banquet Room" in a SF link with the
predecessor, the controlling task of the pair, being the start of "Serve
Lunch."

HTH
--
Steve House [MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
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maria burried in the oilsands

thanks Steve, i teach a beginner's level for ms project and i've been asking
around for a practical purpose but no one seems to know of an application -
this is very helpful to me and my students - thanks much
 
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davegb

Just to add another example of an SF relationship would be if I took my
car to a mechanic and asked him to fix the brakes and the radio and
that I needed the car at 5pm. If he scheduled his work, he might
estimate that it would take an hour to fix the brakes, and 1.5 hrs to
fix the radio. So he's plan to start at 2:30 in order to finish by 5
(If he was really smart, he'd start at 2 and give himself 30 min of
slack, but that's another issue!).
I see very few of these in the projects I've consulted on, but they are
most common in event planning, like in Rod's example. Certain things
must occur at certain times, so you schedule backward to meet a
deadline. In production circles, it's similar to Just in Time
deliveries to minimize inventory.
 

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