Subwebs...Is this what I'm looking for? (long)

[Kate]

I have read the help for subwebs and *think* this is what
I'm wanting to do but need some help and have some
questions.

I have a website for our church's youth group posted
online. The church has since asked for a page for the
church in general (I've made this as a file under the
index.htm for my youth group web) as well as a page for the
children's ministry.

Now they are wanting the church's page to be the first one
found (home page) when going to www.htbc.info with the
youth group and children's ministry as their own pages
underneath that. Since I've focused all my work on the
youth group page and it has many pages under it, all linked
to the welcome page for the youth group as the home page
I'm wanting to keep it as a separate web but under and
connected to the church's page. It sounds as though
creating the youth group site as a subweb under the church
(with the children's ministry as a possible other subweb as
well). Is this right?

OK, assuming that's what I want to do, should I create a
new website for my church and then try to merge the two
together? Also, I have gone to Tools and the Server link
is greyed out so I cannot follow the directions I found
under the Help menu.

I seem to have lots of questions and I hate to bother you
all here with them (I'm learning Frontpage on my own and by
trial and error - mostly error! *grin*). Is there a good
reference book that I could buy that would help me? I
don't do well with online help but prefer a hard copy book
to work from.

Sorry for the length of this and add my thanks and
appreciation in advance for any help.

Kate

 

[Steve Easton]

Actually using FrontPage with the web open you can just create a new folder in the web and
name it youth. Then drag all of the files associated with youth into the new folder.
FrontPage will automatically update the links between pages and the youth index can remain
index.

Do the same for ministry.

Then simply create a new index.htm page for the main page they want and then publish.


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

 

[Kate]

OK, I did that but now the page I renamed 'index.htm' is
the home page for the entire web and all the Home buttons
point to that page instead of the Welcome page for the
youth. Do I need to go back and relink ALL of the links to
the youth welcome page instead of the home page? That will
just be a lot of work and I was hoping that having a subweb
would handle that instead of my having to go back and redo
them all.

Kate
------------

-----Original Message-----
Actually using FrontPage with the web open you can just

create a new folder in the web and

name it youth. Then drag all of the files associated with youth into the new folder.
FrontPage will automatically update the links between

pages and the youth index can remain

 

[Steve Easton]

The home button will always point to the index page at the root of the web.

Having the main page in each folder named index.htm, simply assures that it is
the default page that opens if someone were to link to www.website.com/youth
instead of www.website.com/youth/index.htm

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed..................
...............................with a computer

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

You can only have 1 home page and navigation view / them per web or subweb
- if you have a folder in a web users can enter the URL of the folder and get a default page (not a home page), if that folder also
includes a file w/ the same name as the home page (in your case index.htm)

If you want separate navigation, themes, and home pages (using FP nav bars) for the youth part of the web, it must be a subweb
- check w/ your host if they support subwebs - many don't

To convert the youth folder to a subweb right click and select convert to web

Double click the subweb to open it in FP and create a new nav view (and any shared border / theme)
In nav view create an external link to your root web
You can publish the subweb using File Publish web http://www.htbc.info/youth/

Then in your root web create an external link in your nav view to the home page of the subweb youth
(you can also publish the root and subweb together using File Publsih Web http://www.htbc.info/ and selecting the Include subweb
option)






| OK, I did that but now the page I renamed 'index.htm' is
| the home page for the entire web and all the Home buttons
| point to that page instead of the Welcome page for the
| youth. Do I need to go back and relink ALL of the links to
| the youth welcome page instead of the home page? That will
| just be a lot of work and I was hoping that having a subweb
| would handle that instead of my having to go back and redo
| them all.
|
| Kate
| ------------
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Actually using FrontPage with the web open you can just
| create a new folder in the web and
| >name it youth. Then drag all of the files associated with
| youth into the new folder.
| >FrontPage will automatically update the links between
| pages and the youth index can remain
| >index.
| >
| >Do the same for ministry.
| >
| >Then simply create a new index.htm page for the main page
| they want and then publish.
| >
| >
| >--
| >Steve Easton
| >Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| >95isalive
| >This site is best viewed............
| >........................with a computer
| >
| message
| >| >> I have read the help for subwebs and *think* this is
| what
| >> I'm wanting to do but need some help and have some
| >> questions.
| >>
| >> I have a website for our church's youth group posted
| >> online. The church has since asked for a page for the
| >> church in general (I've made this as a file under the
| >> index.htm for my youth group web) as well as a page for
| the
| >> children's ministry.
| >>
| >> Now they are wanting the church's page to be the first
| one
| >> found (home page) when going to www.htbc.info with the
| >> youth group and children's ministry as their own pages
| >> underneath that. Since I've focused all my work on the
| >> youth group page and it has many pages under it, all
| linked
| >> to the welcome page for the youth group as the home page
| >> I'm wanting to keep it as a separate web but under and
| >> connected to the church's page. It sounds as though
| >> creating the youth group site as a subweb under the
| church
| >> (with the children's ministry as a possible other subweb
| as
| >> well). Is this right?
| >>
| >> OK, assuming that's what I want to do, should I create a
| >> new website for my church and then try to merge the two
| >> together? Also, I have gone to Tools and the Server
| link
| >> is greyed out so I cannot follow the directions I found
| >> under the Help menu.
| >>
| >> I seem to have lots of questions and I hate to bother
| you
| >> all here with them (I'm learning Frontpage on my own and
| by
| >> trial and error - mostly error! *grin*). Is there a
| good
| >> reference book that I could buy that would help me? I
| >> don't do well with online help but prefer a hard copy
| book
| >> to work from.
| >>
| >> Sorry for the length of this and add my thanks and
| >> appreciation in advance for any help.
| >>
| >> Kate
| >
| >
| >.
| >

 

[Peter Aitken]

The home button will always point to the index page at the root of the web.

Having the main page in each folder named index.htm, simply assures that it is
the default page that opens if someone were to link to www.website.com/youth
instead of www.website.com/youth/index.htm

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed..................
..............................with a computer

IIS lets you change the name of the default page for a web (the page that is
opened if someone browses to the URL without a page name). It could be
frogbreath.htm as well as index.htm. Can you *really* count on index.htm
deing the default page?

 

[Steve Easton]

True, and the same can also be done with Apache/UNIX. Problem is that it then applies to
every folder in the web.
index.htm and default.htm are the more "universally" accepted.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

 

[Peter Aitken]

True, and the same can also be done with Apache/UNIX. Problem is that it then applies to
every folder in the web.
index.htm and default.htm are the more "universally" accepted.

That's what I thought. Then it's better to advise people to find out the
default page name that their web hosting company uses. I had one that used
welcome.htm and that threw me off for a while because I expected it to be
index.htm.

 

[Kate]

Stephan,

Yes, my server allows subwebs (they call them subdomains).
But I have another question.

Currently I have published my site with WS_FTP and have
really enjoyed the ease and control it gives me. However,
I (now) understand that Frontpage and FTP are not really
compatable. I think I am hearing that in order to have a
subweb I need to have the Frontpage extentions installed on
my server and I cannot have the Frontpage extentions
installed if I am using FTP.

So, does this mean I need to un-publish my website, install
Frontpage extentions and then re-publish it using Frontpage
publishing (after I've made my root/subwebs? And is
publishing using Frontpage as easy as using WS_FTP -
especially maintaining it and updating (since I update the
web daily)?

Thanks,
Kate

-----Original Message-----
You can only have 1 home page and navigation view / them per web or subweb
- if you have a folder in a web users can enter the URL of

the folder and get a default page (not a home page), if
that folder also

includes a file w/ the same name as the home page (in your case index.htm)

If you want separate navigation, themes, and home pages

(using FP nav bars) for the youth part of the web, it must
be a subweb

- check w/ your host if they support subwebs - many don't

To convert the youth folder to a subweb right click and select convert to web

Double click the subweb to open it in FP and create a new

nav view (and any shared border / theme)

In nav view create an external link to your root web
You can publish the subweb using File Publish web http: //www.htbc.info/youth/

Then in your root web create an external link in your nav

view to the home page of the subweb youth

(you can also publish the root and subweb together using

File Publsih Web http://www.htbc.info/ and selecting the
Include subweb

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Yes to all
- except a subdomain is not the same as a FP subweb
(but you can use a subdomain pointing to a FP subweb)

Example
Domain: http://yoursite.com
Subweb: http://yoursite.com/subwebname/
SubDomain : http://somplace.yoursite.com
(which can point to http://yoursite.com/subwebname/ as the physical location of the subdomain)

If the site has the FP SE and you have published your site using FP in the http mode, in the future you just publish changes direct
from FP




| Stephan,
|
| Yes, my server allows subwebs (they call them subdomains).
| But I have another question.
|
| Currently I have published my site with WS_FTP and have
| really enjoyed the ease and control it gives me. However,
| I (now) understand that Frontpage and FTP are not really
| compatable. I think I am hearing that in order to have a
| subweb I need to have the Frontpage extentions installed on
| my server and I cannot have the Frontpage extentions
| installed if I am using FTP.
|
| So, does this mean I need to un-publish my website, install
| Frontpage extentions and then re-publish it using Frontpage
| publishing (after I've made my root/subwebs? And is
| publishing using Frontpage as easy as using WS_FTP -
| especially maintaining it and updating (since I update the
| web daily)?
|
| Thanks,
| Kate
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >You can only have 1 home page and navigation view / them
| per web or subweb
| >- if you have a folder in a web users can enter the URL of
| the folder and get a default page (not a home page), if
| that folder also
| >includes a file w/ the same name as the home page (in your
| case index.htm)
| >
| >If you want separate navigation, themes, and home pages
| (using FP nav bars) for the youth part of the web, it must
| be a subweb
| >- check w/ your host if they support subwebs - many don't
| >
| >To convert the youth folder to a subweb right click and
| select convert to web
| >
| >Double click the subweb to open it in FP and create a new
| nav view (and any shared border / theme)
| >In nav view create an external link to your root web
| >You can publish the subweb using File Publish web http:
| //www.htbc.info/youth/
| >
| >Then in your root web create an external link in your nav
| view to the home page of the subweb youth
| >(you can also publish the root and subweb together using
| File Publsih Web http://www.htbc.info/ and selecting the
| Include subweb
| >option)
|