Why don't "Change Case" edits show during "Track Changes"

C

Curious Jim

When I make changes in Word documents with "Track Changes" enabled, they all
show up except when I change the capitalization of a word using the "Change
Case" function. Is my software corrupt? Is this due to a setting I don't know
about ([] Don't show Change Case changes) or is this a feature?
 
B

Beth Melton

When you use "Change Case" you are making a formatting change rather
than an editing change. Since an actual edit is not being made it's
not viewed as an Insertion or Deletion, which is what most primarily
view as a tracked change. While most formatting changes are tracked,
such as bold, font, etc, changing the case is not tracked as a
formatting change.

Now, if this is something you must track then what I suggest is for
you to use Tools/Compare and Merge documents instead. Save a copy of
the original document and make your modifications (without using
Tracked Changes) in the copy. Then when you want to view the
revisions, open the copy of the document and go to Tools/Compare and
Merge Documents, navigate to the original document and turn on the
"Legal blackline" option.

Like using Track Changes, all differences between the documents will
be displayed as revisions and the changes you made using Format/Change
Case will be identified as well.

Note that when you use the Legal Blackline option all modifications
made in the documents are treated as accepted and will not be
retained. They will be displayed but a history of which author made
the change will not be preserved. So if both documents (original and
copy) contain tracked changes and you need to preserve the author
history then you may want to omit using the "Legal Blackline" option
so any existing changes in the documents will be merged as well.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

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T

Tony Jollans

I disagree; changing case is not tracked as a format change because it isn't
a format change. The result is a change to the text, not the format.
Changing case is not tracked as an editing change due to an artificial
internal distinction, one of mechanics. From a user point of view the end
result of using Change case is indistinguishable from the end result of
overtyping in a different case - and Word itself cannot tell the
difference - except when it is done when tracking changes. It is polite to
term it a feature. Whilst not perfect, such changes can be tracked by doing
them in any way other than using Change Case.

--
Enjoy,
Tony


Beth Melton said:
When you use "Change Case" you are making a formatting change rather
than an editing change. Since an actual edit is not being made it's
not viewed as an Insertion or Deletion, which is what most primarily
view as a tracked change. While most formatting changes are tracked,
such as bold, font, etc, changing the case is not tracked as a
formatting change.

Now, if this is something you must track then what I suggest is for
you to use Tools/Compare and Merge documents instead. Save a copy of
the original document and make your modifications (without using
Tracked Changes) in the copy. Then when you want to view the
revisions, open the copy of the document and go to Tools/Compare and
Merge Documents, navigate to the original document and turn on the
"Legal blackline" option.

Like using Track Changes, all differences between the documents will
be displayed as revisions and the changes you made using Format/Change
Case will be identified as well.

Note that when you use the Legal Blackline option all modifications
made in the documents are treated as accepted and will not be
retained. They will be displayed but a history of which author made
the change will not be preserved. So if both documents (original and
copy) contain tracked changes and you need to preserve the author
history then you may want to omit using the "Legal Blackline" option
so any existing changes in the documents will be merged as well.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

Curious Jim said:
When I make changes in Word documents with "Track Changes" enabled,
they all
show up except when I change the capitalization of a word using the
"Change
Case" function. Is my software corrupt? Is this due to a setting I
don't know
about ([] Don't show Change Case changes) or is this a feature?
 
B

Beth Melton

Okay,okay, so you're going to get specific on me! <g>

Actually, my viewpoint stems from how I'd *like* to see Change Case
tracked. I don't view the it as a "feature" but rather a bug - from a
developer's viewpoint there is no reason why using Change Case can not
be tracked. The fact that the Change Case command was used can be
intercepted and programmed accordingly.

I review too many books in which the case of text is extremely
important and the fact that Change Case is not picked up by Tracked
Changes is not good. The author and other reviewers need to know every
single change that was made in the original manuscript and a change in
case that is not notated during the review process could result in an
error in the book. So instead of the ease of selecting text and
clicking a button, or using a simple keyboard shortcut, we must retype
the text. Or, as I often do, use the Merge (Combine) function so these
types of changes will be tracked accordingly.

I'd like to see Change Case marked as a formatting change (even though
it may not be a "true" formatting change) since the actual text hasn't
been changed. From the viewpoint of both a reviewer and an author, a
deletion/insertion means I need to verify that when the text was
retyped it is still identical instead of being able to verify only the
case was changed. While word can track a change at the character
level, how the change is identified, at the character or word level,
it's too dependent on how the change was made. What would be great is
if they could identify case changes, regardless of how it was changed,
similar to how they now identify moved text in Word 2007.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

Tony Jollans said:
I disagree; changing case is not tracked as a format change because
it isn't
a format change. The result is a change to the text, not the format.
Changing case is not tracked as an editing change due to an
artificial
internal distinction, one of mechanics. From a user point of view
the end
result of using Change case is indistinguishable from the end result
of
overtyping in a different case - and Word itself cannot tell the
difference - except when it is done when tracking changes. It is
polite to
term it a feature. Whilst not perfect, such changes can be tracked
by doing
them in any way other than using Change Case.

--
Enjoy,
Tony


Beth Melton said:
When you use "Change Case" you are making a formatting change
rather
than an editing change. Since an actual edit is not being made it's
not viewed as an Insertion or Deletion, which is what most
primarily
view as a tracked change. While most formatting changes are
tracked,
such as bold, font, etc, changing the case is not tracked as a
formatting change.

Now, if this is something you must track then what I suggest is for
you to use Tools/Compare and Merge documents instead. Save a copy
of
the original document and make your modifications (without using
Tracked Changes) in the copy. Then when you want to view the
revisions, open the copy of the document and go to Tools/Compare
and
Merge Documents, navigate to the original document and turn on the
"Legal blackline" option.

Like using Track Changes, all differences between the documents
will
be displayed as revisions and the changes you made using
Format/Change
Case will be identified as well.

Note that when you use the Legal Blackline option all modifications
made in the documents are treated as accepted and will not be
retained. They will be displayed but a history of which author made
the change will not be preserved. So if both documents (original
and
copy) contain tracked changes and you need to preserve the author
history then you may want to omit using the "Legal Blackline"
option
so any existing changes in the documents will be merged as well.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

message
When I make changes in Word documents with "Track Changes"
enabled,
they all
show up except when I change the capitalization of a word using
the
"Change
Case" function. Is my software corrupt? Is this due to a setting
I
don't know
about ([] Don't show Change Case changes) or is this a feature?
 
A

aalaan

So right. I am currently editing (on-line) a book about horse racing,
wherein the term 'calcutta' is used. This is a form of auction and should
not be title-cased as is the location. In this case (!) the case of the
first letter is vitally important, and it often is. Track changes should
support the integrity of the edit process without exception .

Beth Melton said:
Okay,okay, so you're going to get specific on me! <g>

Actually, my viewpoint stems from how I'd *like* to see Change Case
tracked. I don't view the it as a "feature" but rather a bug - from a
developer's viewpoint there is no reason why using Change Case can not be
tracked. The fact that the Change Case command was used can be intercepted
and programmed accordingly.

I review too many books in which the case of text is extremely important
and the fact that Change Case is not picked up by Tracked Changes is not
good. The author and other reviewers need to know every single change that
was made in the original manuscript and a change in case that is not
notated during the review process could result in an error in the book. So
instead of the ease of selecting text and clicking a button, or using a
simple keyboard shortcut, we must retype the text. Or, as I often do, use
the Merge (Combine) function so these types of changes will be tracked
accordingly.

I'd like to see Change Case marked as a formatting change (even though it
may not be a "true" formatting change) since the actual text hasn't been
changed. From the viewpoint of both a reviewer and an author, a
deletion/insertion means I need to verify that when the text was retyped
it is still identical instead of being able to verify only the case was
changed. While word can track a change at the character level, how the
change is identified, at the character or word level, it's too dependent
on how the change was made. What would be great is if they could identify
case changes, regardless of how it was changed, similar to how they now
identify moved text in Word 2007.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

Tony Jollans said:
I disagree; changing case is not tracked as a format change because it
isn't
a format change. The result is a change to the text, not the format.
Changing case is not tracked as an editing change due to an artificial
internal distinction, one of mechanics. From a user point of view the end
result of using Change case is indistinguishable from the end result of
overtyping in a different case - and Word itself cannot tell the
difference - except when it is done when tracking changes. It is polite
to
term it a feature. Whilst not perfect, such changes can be tracked by
doing
them in any way other than using Change Case.

--
Enjoy,
Tony


Beth Melton said:
When you use "Change Case" you are making a formatting change rather
than an editing change. Since an actual edit is not being made it's
not viewed as an Insertion or Deletion, which is what most primarily
view as a tracked change. While most formatting changes are tracked,
such as bold, font, etc, changing the case is not tracked as a
formatting change.

Now, if this is something you must track then what I suggest is for
you to use Tools/Compare and Merge documents instead. Save a copy of
the original document and make your modifications (without using
Tracked Changes) in the copy. Then when you want to view the
revisions, open the copy of the document and go to Tools/Compare and
Merge Documents, navigate to the original document and turn on the
"Legal blackline" option.

Like using Track Changes, all differences between the documents will
be displayed as revisions and the changes you made using Format/Change
Case will be identified as well.

Note that when you use the Legal Blackline option all modifications
made in the documents are treated as accepted and will not be
retained. They will be displayed but a history of which author made
the change will not be preserved. So if both documents (original and
copy) contain tracked changes and you need to preserve the author
history then you may want to omit using the "Legal Blackline" option
so any existing changes in the documents will be merged as well.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

When I make changes in Word documents with "Track Changes" enabled,
they all
show up except when I change the capitalization of a word using the
"Change
Case" function. Is my software corrupt? Is this due to a setting I
don't know
about ([] Don't show Change Case changes) or is this a feature?
 
T

Tony Jollans

I agree :)
While word can track a change at the character
level, how the change is identified, at the character or word level,
it's too dependent on how the change was made.

Especially with that. Word shouldn't show changes which haven't actually
been made.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

Beth Melton said:
Okay,okay, so you're going to get specific on me! <g>

Actually, my viewpoint stems from how I'd *like* to see Change Case
tracked. I don't view the it as a "feature" but rather a bug - from a
developer's viewpoint there is no reason why using Change Case can not
be tracked. The fact that the Change Case command was used can be
intercepted and programmed accordingly.

I review too many books in which the case of text is extremely
important and the fact that Change Case is not picked up by Tracked
Changes is not good. The author and other reviewers need to know every
single change that was made in the original manuscript and a change in
case that is not notated during the review process could result in an
error in the book. So instead of the ease of selecting text and
clicking a button, or using a simple keyboard shortcut, we must retype
the text. Or, as I often do, use the Merge (Combine) function so these
types of changes will be tracked accordingly.

I'd like to see Change Case marked as a formatting change (even though
it may not be a "true" formatting change) since the actual text hasn't
been changed. From the viewpoint of both a reviewer and an author, a
deletion/insertion means I need to verify that when the text was
retyped it is still identical instead of being able to verify only the
case was changed. While word can track a change at the character
level, how the change is identified, at the character or word level,
it's too dependent on how the change was made. What would be great is
if they could identify case changes, regardless of how it was changed,
similar to how they now identify moved text in Word 2007.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

Tony Jollans said:
I disagree; changing case is not tracked as a format change because
it isn't
a format change. The result is a change to the text, not the format.
Changing case is not tracked as an editing change due to an
artificial
internal distinction, one of mechanics. From a user point of view
the end
result of using Change case is indistinguishable from the end result
of
overtyping in a different case - and Word itself cannot tell the
difference - except when it is done when tracking changes. It is
polite to
term it a feature. Whilst not perfect, such changes can be tracked
by doing
them in any way other than using Change Case.

--
Enjoy,
Tony


Beth Melton said:
When you use "Change Case" you are making a formatting change
rather
than an editing change. Since an actual edit is not being made it's
not viewed as an Insertion or Deletion, which is what most
primarily
view as a tracked change. While most formatting changes are
tracked,
such as bold, font, etc, changing the case is not tracked as a
formatting change.

Now, if this is something you must track then what I suggest is for
you to use Tools/Compare and Merge documents instead. Save a copy
of
the original document and make your modifications (without using
Tracked Changes) in the copy. Then when you want to view the
revisions, open the copy of the document and go to Tools/Compare
and
Merge Documents, navigate to the original document and turn on the
"Legal blackline" option.

Like using Track Changes, all differences between the documents
will
be displayed as revisions and the changes you made using
Format/Change
Case will be identified as well.

Note that when you use the Legal Blackline option all modifications
made in the documents are treated as accepted and will not be
retained. They will be displayed but a history of which author made
the change will not be preserved. So if both documents (original
and
copy) contain tracked changes and you need to preserve the author
history then you may want to omit using the "Legal Blackline"
option
so any existing changes in the documents will be merged as well.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

message
When I make changes in Word documents with "Track Changes"
enabled,
they all
show up except when I change the capitalization of a word using
the
"Change
Case" function. Is my software corrupt? Is this due to a setting
I
don't know
about ([] Don't show Change Case changes) or is this a feature?
 

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