Word 5.1 and Mac OS X

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Leander Kahney

I'm a reporter with Wired News. I'm working on a story about
Microsoft's Word 5.1. I'm looking for anyone who still uses it,
especially on new hardware: (e-mail address removed)
 
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Dave Hinz

I'm a reporter with Wired News. I'm working on a story about
Microsoft's Word 5.1. I'm looking for anyone who still uses it,
especially on new hardware: (e-mail address removed)

How about an angle of using other software, like openoffice.org, as
an alternative to old software on new machines? Probably more of a
practical approach to dealing with older file formats.

Dave Hinz
 
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silverdr

Leander said:
I'm a reporter with Wired News. I'm working on a story about
Microsoft's Word 5.1. I'm looking for anyone who still uses it,
especially on new hardware: (e-mail address removed)

I am sorry that I don't use it anymore... Once I spent more than half of
the night trying to make use of its WYSIAWYGBYNTRIANOTTGAWYWTGTFTYT [*]
(tm), (c), (r) technology I gave up still on MacOS 7.1 and switched to
WriteNow 4, which did the all the tricks in no time...

P.S. If you give us a good incentive, we may consider loading it again
to the memcells of the new hardware.


[*] - What You See Is Almost What You Get But You Need To Reprint It A
Number Of Times To Get Almost What You Wanted To Get The First Time You
Tried.
 
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Bill Weylock

I'll tell you that for me it was rock solid and a completely reliable
partner during an incredibly busy time (over quite a few years).

I kept using it instead of v6 for a long time and would revert to it when I
had a short deadline. I don't recall what finally weaned me away from it.
Probably it was something like Revision tracking.

I have no idea why anyone would say it did not give reliable printing
results. It was far more predictable than Word 6. But no word product has
ever surprised me with a print version. I don't get the comment at all.
 
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Jim Gordon MVP

Hi Leander,

The popularity of Word 5.1 for the Macintosh has not been lost on Microsoft.
In Office 2004's preferences you can choose the Compatibility tab and choose
preset behaviors that are for Word 5.x.

In Word 2004's Tools menu you can choose Customize>Menus/Toolbars and on the
Toolbars tab check the Toolbar for Word 5.1, so even that is still
available.

People who want to continue to work in that popular, familiar environment
can do so and upgrade to a spanking new G5 if they want to.

-Jim

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Barbarossa

I'm a reporter with Wired News. I'm working on a story about
Microsoft's Word 5.1. I'm looking for anyone who still uses it,
especially on new hardware: (e-mail address removed)

My wife still uses Micro$oft 'Word 5.1a' even though she
also has 'Office 2004' on her Mac at work. At home we're
stuck with an old 6400 L2/G3 which only boots into 9.1.

Basically, she learned 5, and when 6 came out it was so
horrendous that no one would use it voluntarily. So, she just
kept using 5.1a right through Office 98. She complained ( of v.
98) that "all of the key commands were different, and the menus
were so complicated she couldn't find anything."

I'm sure there is a lot of truth in this, as I find the
latest version of Office 2004 much more intuitive than v.98 or
v. X. Maybe it's just me. I am trying to get her to use (more
and more) 'Office 2004' over v. 5.1a; of course, we'll need a
new Mac at home before that happens entirely. The "Last
Remaining Reason ®" for using classic at all is her old label
making program 'MacEnvelope' from Synex.

When I showed her how easy it was to make Avery ® labels in
'Word 2004' she was impressed. Any how, I digress.

I have installed M$ 'Word 5.1a' on my wife's G4 867. It
works well and opens remarkably quickly. However , I
did not install it from the disks. Word 5 is self-contained
and does not add a pile of extensions like later versions do.
The best way to install Word 5 is to simply copy an entire
working folder to the new Mac, as I did. This way you get your
Updates and Custom dictionary all in one easy step.

Many people indicate problems installing onto partitions
larger than 2.0 Gb, although one user got it onto a 2.1 Gb
disk. The old installer used compresed files on a number of
floppies to hold a program that was only about 7 Mb in size,
and it seems very fussy about installations.

It may be necessary to actually do a clean Minimum Install
of a Mac OS onto a small partition, either on a HDD or a large
removeable drive (like a 250 or 750 Mb ZIP,) and then install
Word 5 onto _that_. The Word 5 folder may then be moved or
copied.

If you must install from the installers, these tips come
from an _old_ info file at:

(e-mail address removed) (University of Arkansas)

1. Insert MS Word Installer disk into disk drive.
2. Open floppy disk and click once on Installer icon to
highlight it.
3. Under File on the Menu bar, select Get Info.
4. Raise the Preferred size number to 800.
5. Close window.
6. If you've already tried to install Word 5.1, look for the
the following files in your System Folder and trash them if
they exist:
o In Preferences folder - Embedding Preferences
o In Fonts folder - Mtext font
o In Extensions folder - MTExt file
7. Open Control Panels and double-click on the Memory icon.
8. Turn both Virtual Memory and Modern Memory Manager OFF.
9. Close windows.
10. Re-start computer with extensions off by holding down the
shift key.
11. Install the MS Word software as normal.
12. After installing MS Word, restart your computer holding
down the Option and Command Keys until you get the message
asking if you want to rebuild your desktop. Click on OK.
13. Go back into Control Panels, open the Memory icon, and
turn VirtualMemory and Modern Memory Manager back on.

Of course, this info is probably long out of date. You may
also have problem with the "personalization" of the installer
disk if it is already registered to the previous owner.

I did however, manage to get my own name onto my old copy
of Word 5 (left over from work). It required a pristine copy
of Disk1, the Installer, which I borrowed from someone else at
work.

[No, this is not a pirated copy. We ended up with the disks
when the lab closed down. I just wanted to update the
ownership.]

You make copies of the Unregistered #1 floppy, and
personalize _them_, rather than the Original. In addition, I
have disk images of the floppies on both Zip and CD-R, so I
can make more. (I really caught it once when I accidentally,
uh, "lost" my wife's copy of Word 5.)

There is a shareware program (from 1995) called
"PersonalizeWord 1.0" which, in its description states: that
it "lets you re-enter the name and organization fields that
show up in the window discplayed during Microsoft Word's
startup." Easy to use and fast. Author is anonymous, but it is
available on some of the Mac hacker sites on the web in a .sit
version. See:

<http://www.parallaxresearch.com/files/macos/Cracking/>

If a standard installation just does not work, you can
expand (tediously) each folder on each floppy and reassemble a
working Word 5 folder. There are some M$ updates to Word 5 that
allow it to open later (Word 98, &c.) documents.

It is probably best to make disk images of your floppies and
save them to various places (e.g.: Zip drive, CD-R, another
HDD, &c.) Mounted disk images of floppies install just as well,
the images can all be mounted at the same time, and it's much
faster.

If you _do_ manage to get Word 5 installed, it's even better
to keep archived copies of the complete expanded folder (it's
only about 7 Mb) in case you need to reinstall. With the
massive size and low cost of Disks these days, there is no
reason to have the program compressed onto 5 or 6 little
floppies.

I did try fooling around with the installation of M$
'Word 5.1a' and I discovered certain things:

1) It will install on a blank 100Mb Zip disk. As there is no
System Folder, it creates one, which contains only an
'Extensions' folder containing only a 'Microsoft' folder
containing only an alias of the 'MicrosoftGraph' application.
This (the M$ folder) can be moved to your 'Extensions' folder.

2) If you make DiskImages or ShrinkWraps of your Floppies, be
sure to write them as _unlocked_, i.e., "Read/Write".
Otherwise, the 'Installer' disk #1 will not function properly.
If all the disk images are mounted at the same time,
installation will go very quickly.

(If for some reason you have a locked disk or DiskImage,
drag/copy the contents to a new folder and make a new
'Read/Write' DiskImage from that.)

3) You may also find that a font suitcase: 'MT Extra' has been
installed into your 'Fonts' folder. This is for the 'Equation
Editor,' IIRC. A copy of these fonts should be saved to your
Word 5 application backup folder(s).

4) Using the 'Word 5' Installer floppies is almost more trouble
than it's worth. You may have to do it _once_, but after that,
just restore the full folder from an already installed backup
copy (remembering the Font, and the Extension.)

I hope this helps. It would be nice if Micro$oft would release
a pure cocoa version of an updated 'Word 5', say 'Word X5',
that was better and more useful than 'TextEdit' but not as
complicated as the full 'Office' or 'Word.' I wonder how many
copies they could sell for the same price as, say,
'GraphicConverter' -- $30? I also wonder how it would cut into
sales of the $149 'Student/Teacher' edition of 'Office'?
 
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silverdr

Bill said:
I'll tell you that for me it was rock solid and a completely reliable
partner during an incredibly busy time (over quite a few years).

I kept using it instead of v6 for a long time and would revert to it when I
had a short deadline. I don't recall what finally weaned me away from it.
Probably it was something like Revision tracking.

I have no idea why anyone would say it did not give reliable printing
results. It was far more predictable than Word 6.

Or was it 6 that pissed me off so badly once? Unrefreshed memory cells
tend to fade and blur the images...
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

silverdr said:
Or was it 6 that pissed me off so badly once? Unrefreshed memory cells
tend to fade and blur the images...
Once I installed the updates to 6.0.1a Word, and Excel 5.0.1a I never had any
problems using Word 6 / Excel 5 until I updated to OS9.2.2 (something about the
carbonlib file killed them.

I actually like W6/E5 better than office 2001. There were some features I came to
use in 6 that I never did find out how to do in Office2001.

one was I could turn on codes and click on some type of code at the begining of a
Paragraph select the same icon another paragraph and hit Commnad -V and that
paragraph would automatically be switched to that formatting without affecting the
text. Or you could drag and drop this icon and it would do the same thing.

I don't believe that's in Office2004. Office2001 was the first version of office/wor
that would properly do envelopes though.

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Martin Crisp

Or was it 6 that pissed me off so badly once? Unrefreshed memory cells
tend to fade and blur the images...

No, it couldn't have been 6 that pissed you off _once_.

[The version that wouldn't let Macs print to envelope trays... the
version that saw docs set to A4 on a PC as a custom paper size on
the Mac... the version that brought macro viruses to the Mac...
what a great product: if your aim was leveraging Macs out of
business installations]

Have Fun
Martin
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Martin said:
Bill Weylock wrote:



Or was it 6 that pissed me off so badly once? Unrefreshed memory cells
tend to fade and blur the images...


No, it couldn't have been 6 that pissed you off _once_.

[The version that wouldn't let Macs print to envelope trays... the
version that saw docs set to A4 on a PC as a custom paper size on
the Mac... the version that brought macro viruses to the Mac...
what a great product: if your aim was leveraging Macs out of
business installations]

Have Fun
Martin
when I started on Mac's (SE/30 days). My first WP was MacWrite/ Then MSWorks, from
there I went to M6.01a/E5.0.1a. I then bought Novel WordPerfect just for envelope
printing. As for Macros I never ever in my life have used a MS Macro in any MS
Product. I always kept macros disabled, I still do. You determine in W6 what paper
size is default at install time. had you set A4 when you was installing you could
have used A4 as default.

As 100% of my printing need are divided between US Letter (8.5 x 11 inch) or US
Legal (8.5 x 14 inch). The A4 problem never bothered me. Besides all the major
Office Supply places Office Depot, Staples, and OfficeMax do not stock A4 products.
(At least in the Virginia/North Carolina area. So I didn't run into the A4 problem.

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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Martin said:
Bill Weylock wrote:



Or was it 6 that pissed me off so badly once? Unrefreshed memory cells
tend to fade and blur the images...


No, it couldn't have been 6 that pissed you off _once_.

[The version that wouldn't let Macs print to envelope trays... the
version that saw docs set to A4 on a PC as a custom paper size on
the Mac... the version that brought macro viruses to the Mac...
what a great product: if your aim was leveraging Macs out of
business installations]

Have Fun
Martin

I started out using a Mac SE/30, at That point I bought MacWritePro and MSworks.
Then I went to Word 6.0.1a/Excel 5.0.1.a

I never have used the Macros (And Active-X)feature(s) "EVER" in any MS product
period. Because of the dangers.

As for the Envelope Printing I bought Novel WordPerfect (now Corel) exclusively for
its envelope handling. Aside from the separate Page setup window for envelopes it
had a built in Database for names on emvelopes. You type in the Name and Address and
save under that persons name. It saved the Name Address, envelope size, and name
placement on evelope, and even the font type and color used. Click on the list name
and your customized envelope automatically came upI A feature MS should implement.

as for default paper size you set that at the time W6 is being installed. Had you
selected A4 when installing, A4 would have been your default.

In any event that didn't bother me as 100% of my Printing needs were devided between
US Letter (8.5 x 11), or US Legal (8.5 x 14), and #10 Business envelopes.

Besides, any of the paper supliers I have frequented (in VA/NC); Office Depot,
OfficeMax, and Staples, do not carry A4 products in Stock. You can buy them by
catalog though.

Maybe in New York, California, Florida; where a lot of business is done overseas
maybe A4 is stocked.
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Martin said:
Bill Weylock wrote:



Or was it 6 that pissed me off so badly once? Unrefreshed memory cells
tend to fade and blur the images...


No, it couldn't have been 6 that pissed you off _once_.

[The version that wouldn't let Macs print to envelope trays... the
version that saw docs set to A4 on a PC as a custom paper size on
the Mac... the version that brought macro viruses to the Mac...
what a great product: if your aim was leveraging Macs out of
business installations]

Have Fun
Martin
when I started on Mac's (SE/30 days). My first WP was MacWrite/ Then MSWorks, from
there I went to M6.01a/E5.0.1a. I then bought Novel WordPerfect just for envelope
printing. As for Macros I never ever in my life have used a MS Macro in any MS
Product. I always kept macros disabled, I still do. You determine in W6 what paper
size is default at install time. had you set A4 when you was installing you could
have used A4 as default.

As 100% of my printing need are divided between US Letter (8.5 x 11 inch) or US
Legal (8.5 x 14 inch). The A4 problem never bothered me. Besides all the major
Office Supply places Office Depot, Staples, and OfficeMax do not stock A4 products.
(At least in the Virginia/North Carolina area. So I didn't run into the A4 problem.

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JE McGimpsey

Martin Crisp said:
No, it couldn't have been 6 that pissed you off _once_.

[<snip> the version that brought macro viruses to the Mac...
what a great product: if your aim was leveraging Macs out of
business installations

Of course, the reason that version 6 brought macro virii to the Mac is
that previous Mac versions didn't support macros. Word 5.1 users could,
and did, in blissful ignorance play Typhoid Mary, passing on virii in
documents from infected Windows users.

In my experience, not supporting macros is a better way to leverage Macs
out of business installations than keeping them invulnerable, but
crippled. Most firms I know of that have more than about 10 machines of
either flavor use either macros or add-ins to at least some extent for
their core business.

And, without putting too fine a point on it, since almost none of the
macro virii in the wild have any affect on Mac platforms, some
businesses might even consider it a benefit to have a machine that can
still operate after a new virus is contracted.
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

JE said:
No, it couldn't have been 6 that pissed you off _once_.

[<snip> the version that brought macro viruses to the Mac...
what a great product: if your aim was leveraging Macs out of
business installations


Of course, the reason that version 6 brought macro virii to the Mac is
that previous Mac versions didn't support macros. Word 5.1 users could,
and did, in blissful ignorance play Typhoid Mary, passing on virii in
documents from infected Windows users.

In my experience, not supporting macros is a better way to leverage Macs
out of business installations than keeping them invulnerable, but
crippled. Most firms I know of that have more than about 10 machines of
either flavor use either macros or add-ins to at least some extent for
their core business.

And, without putting too fine a point on it, since almost none of the
macro virii in the wild have any affect on Mac platforms, some
businesses might even consider it a benefit to have a machine that can
still operate after a new virus is contracted.

When Word Macro Mac viruses came out it was reported by all the antivirus companies
that the exact same damage that could be done on the windows version to Word/Excel
Documents could be done on Mac Platform because the same underlying Core code was/is
used on both platforms.

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Charles Dyer

I'm a reporter with Wired News. I'm working on a story about
Microsoft's Word 5.1. I'm looking for anyone who still uses it,
especially on new hardware: (e-mail address removed)

Word 5.1a was the best word processor I ever used. I've still got it on my
eMac. Don't use it that much any more, not since I got Office X, because
booting into Classic is a pain, but that's the only reason. It still works
just fine. In fact, in many ways it works _better_ than Word 2004. Word 5.1
reads .rtf files the way God (and I) want 'em to be read: in the original
format, with the original fonts. And same with .txt files. Office 98 and on
to Office 2004 _insist_ on using a special style for .txt files, and unless
you tweak it, those files are all in 9-point Courier. Worse, not only does
the tweak _not work anymore_ in Word 2004, but now .rtf files are affected,
too. Times New Roman. Ick. And Office 2004 phones home to Mama, too.

Its main problem is that it doesn't know the new MS Word format (new since
1997, that is) and there's a plug-in which fixes that, so even that's not a
real problem.
 
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JE McGimpsey

Phillip M. Jones said:
When Word Macro Mac viruses came out it was reported by all the
antivirus companies that the exact same damage that could be done on
the windows version to Word/Excel Documents could be done on Mac
Platform because the same underlying Core code was/is used on both
platforms.

Core code, though it acted like a virus itself because it slowed the
apps down so much, never had much if anything to do with vulnerability
to macro virii. In any case, core code was a brief and unsuccessful
experiment that went away with Office98.

I don't remember what "all the antivirus companies" said at the time,
but certainly the danger came from the capabilities of the macro
language itself, not the low-level core code. Yes, a virus can have a
destructive payload that uses WordBasic, XL4M, or VBA to cause havoc -
even deleting files unrelated to Office, but core code doesn't magically
convert a Mac into a Windows machine (thank goodness).

There are a couple of things that make macro virii much less of a
problem for Mac users, though -

1) There are almost no pure macro virii in the wild. Most destructive
macro virii are designed to deliver a payload that affects the operating
system directly - using shell commands, buffer overflows, etc. Given the
differences in the operating systems, these simply will not work on
Macs, regardless of "core code" - the virii *bypass* the core code.

2) Of the ones that *are* pure macro virii, almost 100% are
Windows-specific - either using hardcoded file paths or instructions for
Outlook, for example, or using commands that have no analog (or a
different syntax) on Macs.

Does that mean that Macs are immune? No. However, with one simple
precaution (setting Macro virus protection), there's no way a macro can
inadvertently be run. You have to either give specific permission, or
you have to place the file in a "trusted" location, which the macro
can't do by itself.

Since WordBasic and XL4M came out, I've been working in a mixed Win/Mac
environment. In that time I've had thousands of documents with a macro
virus sent to me. All but a dozen or so have been picked up by my
antivirus software (I really don't expect I'd need it for my system, but
I'm prudent, and I wouldn't want to pass a virus on). Of those dozen,
every single one was detected by Macro Virus protection, which gave me
the chance to disable and examine the code (or just trash the file if it
wasn't something I wanted to waste time on).

It's prudent to be concerned about virii. Giving up functionality out of
concerns for macro virii is, in my view, unnecessary and undesirable.
There are dozens of add-ins and macros that I use on a daily basis to
make my work easier and more productive. I make Office apps work the way
*I* want. I get rid of bloat in the toolbars and menus. I create
functions that don't exist in Office. I automate procedures so that I
can't screw them up manually. For instance, with one macro, I create
invoices in Word from data in XL and automatically email them to my
clients using Entourage, then print out a billing summary showing aged
receivables for my records.

OTOH, if your work doesn't require macros, and you can afford the time
and effort to do things manually, there's no reason to use them. But
fear of a virus shouldn't stop you if you'd find them of value.
 
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Bill Weylock

It was probably 6.

There were all sorts of incompletely implemented and inadequately documented
features introduced that were incredibly difficult to manage.

Just putting together a bulletted list and formatting it the way I wanted
turned into a life threatening exercise in frustration.

Thank goodness they then had wonderful patient tech support people who both
understood and were able to troubleshoot solutions.

Another delight was trying to get a TOC to display correct page numbers
(rather than countint itself as Page 1). Usually I would have to enter
sections and paging rules three or four times before making one stick. No
one was ever able to explain to me a rock solid for sure strategy.

In Word 5, the program assumed that is what you would want and did it for
you. Doh.
 
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Martin Crisp

Martin Crisp said:
No, it couldn't have been 6 that pissed you off _once_.

[<snip> the version that brought macro viruses to the Mac...
what a great product: if your aim was leveraging Macs out of
business installations

Of course, the reason that version 6 brought macro virii to the Mac is
that previous Mac versions didn't support macros. Word 5.1 users could,

As far as I recall neither did previous Windows versions.
and did, in blissful ignorance play Typhoid Mary, passing on virii in
documents from infected Windows users.

Since Word 5 didn't support word macros, this makes as much sense
as blaming the email system for passing on the infected documents.

In my experience, not supporting macros is a better way to
leverage Macs out of business installations than keeping them
invulnerable, but crippled.

Since the leverage comment was based on more than macro viruses,
this is disingenuous. It also presumes there weren't reasonable
ways of preventing the spread of viruses via macro: e.g. by
refusing to open any .dot disguised as a .doc. Steps that were
added, as I recall, over a year later.
Most firms I know of that have more than about 10 machines of
either flavor use either macros or add-ins to at least some
extent for their core business.
Wooppee.


And, without putting too fine a point on it, since almost none of the
macro virii in the wild have any affect on Mac platforms, some

That may be the case now: I don't use MS products on principle any
more [yes I still have 5.1 on Mac OS X, no, I don't use it]; but it
certainly wasn't when they first appeared.
businesses might even consider it a benefit to have a machine that can
still operate after a new virus is contracted.

One running Word 5, you mean?

Have Fun
Martin
 
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JE McGimpsey

Martin Crisp said:
As far as I recall neither did previous Windows versions.

Don't remember the exact timing, but WinWord2 had WordBasic back in
1991. IIRC, MacWord5 was introduced after that.
Since Word 5 didn't support word macros, this makes as much sense
as blaming the email system for passing on the infected documents.

Not blaming 5.1 for anything. You seemed to be saying that macro virii
weren't an issue for Macs before Word 6, though, and that, at least in a
mixed Mac-Windows environment, is simply untrue.
Since the leverage comment was based on more than macro viruses,
this is disingenuous.

Wasn't disingenuous - I'd read your post to mean that the macro virii
were responsible. On re-reading, it's apparent that it was one item in a
list.

Not sure what you are responding to here. My point was that macros,
along with the attendant risk of macro virii, far from "leveraging Macs
out of business installations", rather were required for them to
continue in business installations.
And, without putting too fine a point on it, since almost none of the
macro virii in the wild have any affect on Mac platforms, some

That may be the case now: I don't use MS products on principle any
more [yes I still have 5.1 on Mac OS X, no, I don't use it]; but it
certainly wasn't when they first appeared.

Well, yes, I think it was. I've seen only a couple of documented cases
where a macro virus delivered a damaging payload on a Mac, even before
macro virus protection was included.
One running Word 5, you mean?

No.
 

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