graphics anchor

[cayce]

Is there a way to determine EXACTLY what piece of text a floating graphic is
anchored to? It would help knowing this when text is reflowed.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If you have anchors displayed, then when you click on the graphic, the
anchor should be next to the text to which it is anchored.

 

[cayce]

I do have anchors displayed since I always keep the show/hide button active.
What I am trying to find out is if there is a way to identify the exact place
where the anchor is attached. Is it a word, character, paragraph mark, what?
And, is there a way through a view setting or other option to know which
specific word, character, or paragraph mark is connected to the anchor. I can
see where the anchor sits in the left margin, but cannot ID to its exact
linkage.

For instance, I know that anchors can interfere with numbered headings
appearing in the TOC because their position can "bump" into the number's
display in the TOC. I have also had some mixed results with dragging an
unlocked anchor away from the heading. If I could tell exactly where the
anchor links to the text, I would find this useful.

 

[CyberTaz]

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but the anchor icon sits adjacent to the
first line of the para to which the graphic is anchored. What sometimes
causes confusion is that the graphic *need not* be anywhere near that same
para - it just has to be on the same 'page'.

As to the first point in your second para, I can't envision what you mean as
the anchors are simply non-printing characters like any other formatting
markers & don't influence text flow at all - text flow influences them.
Their position in the margin indicates the para the graphic is currently
anchored to.

Secondly, can you be more specific about "mixed results" - What *did* happen
as opposed to what you *expected* to happen? Dragging an anchor away from
any para should be no problem as long as the Lock Anchor feature isn't
turned on and there is another para to drag it to... if there's no para on
the page at the spot where you 'drop' it, it usually will jump to the 1st
para on the page, the para nearest to where you drop it, or [rarely] to
another page where it can find a para to attach itself to.

 

[cayce]

My mixed results were that sometimes I would move an anchor and the outline
number in the heading would still not display in the TOC as it should. I
would some times need to move the anchor a second time to get the outline
number to appear properly in the TOC. (I learned from this Word forum that my
outline numbered headings not always displaying in the TOC were caused by the
graphic anchor.)

You mention it typically appears next to the 1st line of the paragraph it is
attached to. But, it also can be moved on the page to another paragraph. So,
if you decide to cut the paragraph the anchor is actually attached to, you
won't find this out until after you choose cut.

My point is, does Word have a way to clue you in as to the specific place
where the anchor "lives." If Word does provide a way to see this, how can I
determine this.

I hope this makes sense.

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but the anchor icon sits adjacent to the
first line of the para to which the graphic is anchored. What sometimes
causes confusion is that the graphic *need not* be anywhere near that same
para - it just has to be on the same 'page'.

As to the first point in your second para, I can't envision what you mean as
the anchors are simply non-printing characters like any other formatting
markers & don't influence text flow at all - text flow influences them.
Their position in the margin indicates the para the graphic is currently
anchored to.

Secondly, can you be more specific about "mixed results" - What *did* happen
as opposed to what you *expected* to happen? Dragging an anchor away from
any para should be no problem as long as the Lock Anchor feature isn't
turned on and there is another para to drag it to... if there's no para on
the page at the spot where you 'drop' it, it usually will jump to the 1st
para on the page, the para nearest to where you drop it, or [rarely] to
another page where it can find a para to attach itself to.

--
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I do have anchors displayed since I always keep the show/hide button
active.
What I am trying to find out is if there is a way to identify the exact
place
where the anchor is attached. Is it a word, character, paragraph mark,
what?
And, is there a way through a view setting or other option to know which
specific word, character, or paragraph mark is connected to the anchor. I
can
see where the anchor sits in the left margin, but cannot ID to its exact
linkage.

For instance, I know that anchors can interfere with numbered headings
appearing in the TOC because their position can "bump" into the number's
display in the TOC. I have also had some mixed results with dragging an
unlocked anchor away from the heading. If I could tell exactly where the
anchor links to the text, I would find this useful.

 

[CyberTaz]

Hi cayce -

Thanks for the reply. Here are some comments on your response:

My mixed results were that sometimes I would move an anchor and the
outline
number in the heading would still not display in the TOC as it should. I
would some times need to move the anchor a second time to get the outline
number to appear properly in the TOC. (I learned from this Word forum that
my
outline numbered headings not always displaying in the TOC were caused by
the
graphic anchor.)

I seem to recall something about this and it is perhaps a glitch or bug
causing the erratic behavior you describe. I've not had to contend with it
myself because I seldom use graphics in Word any more - I prefer QuarkXpress
or InDesign when graphics are involved - and when I *do* use graphics in
Word I *never* anchor them to a Heading para... perhaps that's why

You mention it typically appears next to the 1st line of the paragraph it
is
attached to. But, it also can be moved on the page to another paragraph.
So,
if you decide to cut the paragraph the anchor is actually attached to, you
won't find this out until after you choose cut.

My point is, does Word have a way to clue you in as to the specific place
where the anchor "lives." If Word does provide a way to see this, how can
I
determine this.

When Show/Hide ¶ is on, clicking the graphic will cause its anchor to
display. Then you can reposition it if necessary. Alternatively, if you want
to display the anchors without having the other non-printing characters
displayed, go to Tools>Options>View - Page and Web Layout & check the box
for Object Anchors. (You'll still have to select the graphic of concern to
reveal its anchor - the feature doesn't cause them all to just show up &
stay displayed - but you don't need Show/Hide turned on.)

I hope this makes sense.

Graphics in a Word processing document doesn't make sense in the first
place, why should the manner in which they are handled be any more sensible
?

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but the anchor icon sits adjacent to the
first line of the para to which the graphic is anchored. What sometimes
causes confusion is that the graphic *need not* be anywhere near that
same
para - it just has to be on the same 'page'.

As to the first point in your second para, I can't envision what you mean
as
the anchors are simply non-printing characters like any other formatting
markers & don't influence text flow at all - text flow influences them.
Their position in the margin indicates the para the graphic is currently
anchored to.

Secondly, can you be more specific about "mixed results" - What *did*
happen
as opposed to what you *expected* to happen? Dragging an anchor away from
any para should be no problem as long as the Lock Anchor feature isn't
turned on and there is another para to drag it to... if there's no para
on
the page at the spot where you 'drop' it, it usually will jump to the 1st
para on the page, the para nearest to where you drop it, or [rarely] to
another page where it can find a para to attach itself to.

--
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I do have anchors displayed since I always keep the show/hide button
active.
What I am trying to find out is if there is a way to identify the exact
place
where the anchor is attached. Is it a word, character, paragraph mark,
what?
And, is there a way through a view setting or other option to know
which
specific word, character, or paragraph mark is connected to the anchor.
I
can
see where the anchor sits in the left margin, but cannot ID to its
exact
linkage.

For instance, I know that anchors can interfere with numbered headings
appearing in the TOC because their position can "bump" into the
number's
display in the TOC. I have also had some mixed results with dragging an
unlocked anchor away from the heading. If I could tell exactly where
the
anchor links to the text, I would find this useful.

:

Is there a way to determine EXACTLY what piece of text a floating
graphic
is
anchored to? It would help knowing this when text is reflowed.

 

[cayce]

So, from your answer, it appears you can only see where the anchor is, but
not "see" the specific place where it is attached.

I too prefer Quark and Framemaker and use them wherever I can. In
Framemaker, by gosh you put a graphic in an anchored frame and it will NEVER
stray, regardless of how many pages you precede it with, reflowing text and
graphics. (Which is what prompted me to ask the "where exactly is the anchor
linked" in the 1st place. In Framemaker, you can see this.)

My dilemma is, I must use the tool I am given. For proposals, it's Word. And
I was, well... hopeful.

Peace

Hi cayce -

Thanks for the reply. Here are some comments on your response:

My mixed results were that sometimes I would move an anchor and the
outline
number in the heading would still not display in the TOC as it should. I
would some times need to move the anchor a second time to get the outline
number to appear properly in the TOC. (I learned from this Word forum that
my
outline numbered headings not always displaying in the TOC were caused by
the
graphic anchor.)

I seem to recall something about this and it is perhaps a glitch or bug
causing the erratic behavior you describe. I've not had to contend with it
myself because I seldom use graphics in Word any more - I prefer QuarkXpress
or InDesign when graphics are involved - and when I *do* use graphics in
Word I *never* anchor them to a Heading para... perhaps that's why

You mention it typically appears next to the 1st line of the paragraph it
is
attached to. But, it also can be moved on the page to another paragraph.
So,
if you decide to cut the paragraph the anchor is actually attached to, you
won't find this out until after you choose cut.

My point is, does Word have a way to clue you in as to the specific place
where the anchor "lives." If Word does provide a way to see this, how can
I
determine this.

When Show/Hide ¶ is on, clicking the graphic will cause its anchor to
display. Then you can reposition it if necessary. Alternatively, if you want
to display the anchors without having the other non-printing characters
displayed, go to Tools>Options>View - Page and Web Layout & check the box
for Object Anchors. (You'll still have to select the graphic of concern to
reveal its anchor - the feature doesn't cause them all to just show up &
stay displayed - but you don't need Show/Hide turned on.)

I hope this makes sense.

Graphics in a Word processing document doesn't make sense in the first
place, why should the manner in which they are handled be any more sensible
?

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but the anchor icon sits adjacent to the
first line of the para to which the graphic is anchored. What sometimes
causes confusion is that the graphic *need not* be anywhere near that
same
para - it just has to be on the same 'page'.

As to the first point in your second para, I can't envision what you mean
as
the anchors are simply non-printing characters like any other formatting
markers & don't influence text flow at all - text flow influences them.
Their position in the margin indicates the para the graphic is currently
anchored to.

Secondly, can you be more specific about "mixed results" - What *did*
happen
as opposed to what you *expected* to happen? Dragging an anchor away from
any para should be no problem as long as the Lock Anchor feature isn't
turned on and there is another para to drag it to... if there's no para
on
the page at the spot where you 'drop' it, it usually will jump to the 1st
para on the page, the para nearest to where you drop it, or [rarely] to
another page where it can find a para to attach itself to.

--
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I do have anchors displayed since I always keep the show/hide button
active.
What I am trying to find out is if there is a way to identify the exact
place
where the anchor is attached. Is it a word, character, paragraph mark,
what?
And, is there a way through a view setting or other option to know
which
specific word, character, or paragraph mark is connected to the anchor.
I
can
see where the anchor sits in the left margin, but cannot ID to its
exact
linkage.

For instance, I know that anchors can interfere with numbered headings
appearing in the TOC because their position can "bump" into the
number's
display in the TOC. I have also had some mixed results with dragging an
unlocked anchor away from the heading. If I could tell exactly where
the
anchor links to the text, I would find this useful.

:

Is there a way to determine EXACTLY what piece of text a floating
graphic
is
anchored to? It would help knowing this when text is reflowed.

 

[CyberTaz]

I understand you frustration, but it basically stems from the fact that the
file structure of Word does *not* deal with pages - it deals only with
content and how much 'space' it has to work with based on margin
constraints. The graphic isn't anchored to a page or any other finite
physical position, it's anchored to text in the flow of the doc. IOW, the
specific "place" you are wanting to see you are seeing - it is the first
line of the para adjacent to the anchor - *wherever* that para happens to be
at the time.

DTP apps, OTOH, are designed on the basis of physical pages, so you *can*
anchor something to a specific spot on a specific page. That's also why you
have features such as Pasteboards & master Pages.

If you are going to be dealing with graphics in Word to any extent you may
want to take a look at some additional information:

http://word.mvps.org/Mac/PagesInWord.html

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/DrawingGraphics.htm

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

So, from your answer, it appears you can only see where the anchor is, but
not "see" the specific place where it is attached.

I too prefer Quark and Framemaker and use them wherever I can. In
Framemaker, by gosh you put a graphic in an anchored frame and it will
NEVER
stray, regardless of how many pages you precede it with, reflowing text
and
graphics. (Which is what prompted me to ask the "where exactly is the
anchor
linked" in the 1st place. In Framemaker, you can see this.)

My dilemma is, I must use the tool I am given. For proposals, it's Word.
And
I was, well... hopeful.

Peace

Hi cayce -

Thanks for the reply. Here are some comments on your response:

My mixed results were that sometimes I would move an anchor and the
outline
number in the heading would still not display in the TOC as it should.
I
would some times need to move the anchor a second time to get the
outline
number to appear properly in the TOC. (I learned from this Word forum
that
my
outline numbered headings not always displaying in the TOC were caused
by
the
graphic anchor.)

I seem to recall something about this and it is perhaps a glitch or bug
causing the erratic behavior you describe. I've not had to contend with
it
myself because I seldom use graphics in Word any more - I prefer
QuarkXpress
or InDesign when graphics are involved - and when I *do* use graphics in
Word I *never* anchor them to a Heading para... perhaps that's why

You mention it typically appears next to the 1st line of the paragraph
it
is
attached to. But, it also can be moved on the page to another
paragraph.
So,
if you decide to cut the paragraph the anchor is actually attached to,
you
won't find this out until after you choose cut.

My point is, does Word have a way to clue you in as to the specific
place
where the anchor "lives." If Word does provide a way to see this, how
can
I
determine this.

When Show/Hide ¶ is on, clicking the graphic will cause its anchor to
display. Then you can reposition it if necessary. Alternatively, if you
want
to display the anchors without having the other non-printing characters
displayed, go to Tools>Options>View - Page and Web Layout & check the box
for Object Anchors. (You'll still have to select the graphic of concern
to
reveal its anchor - the feature doesn't cause them all to just show up &
stay displayed - but you don't need Show/Hide turned on.)

I hope this makes sense.

Graphics in a Word processing document doesn't make sense in the first
place, why should the manner in which they are handled be any more
sensible
?

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

:

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but the anchor icon sits adjacent to
the
first line of the para to which the graphic is anchored. What
sometimes
causes confusion is that the graphic *need not* be anywhere near that
same
para - it just has to be on the same 'page'.

As to the first point in your second para, I can't envision what you
mean
as
the anchors are simply non-printing characters like any other
formatting
markers & don't influence text flow at all - text flow influences
them.
Their position in the margin indicates the para the graphic is
currently
anchored to.

Secondly, can you be more specific about "mixed results" - What *did*
happen
as opposed to what you *expected* to happen? Dragging an anchor away
from
any para should be no problem as long as the Lock Anchor feature isn't
turned on and there is another para to drag it to... if there's no
para
on
the page at the spot where you 'drop' it, it usually will jump to the
1st
para on the page, the para nearest to where you drop it, or [rarely]
to
another page where it can find a para to attach itself to.

--
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I do have anchors displayed since I always keep the show/hide button
active.
What I am trying to find out is if there is a way to identify the
exact
place
where the anchor is attached. Is it a word, character, paragraph
mark,
what?
And, is there a way through a view setting or other option to know
which
specific word, character, or paragraph mark is connected to the
anchor.
I
can
see where the anchor sits in the left margin, but cannot ID to its
exact
linkage.

For instance, I know that anchors can interfere with numbered
headings
appearing in the TOC because their position can "bump" into the
number's
display in the TOC. I have also had some mixed results with dragging
an
unlocked anchor away from the heading. If I could tell exactly where
the
anchor links to the text, I would find this useful.

:

Is there a way to determine EXACTLY what piece of text a floating
graphic
is
anchored to? It would help knowing this when text is reflowed.

 

[cayce]

Thanks for referring me to these good resources. I keep learning more each
day about Word. Forewarned is forearmed. (Or wait...it should be knowledge is
power.)

I understand you frustration, but it basically stems from the fact that the
file structure of Word does *not* deal with pages - it deals only with
content and how much 'space' it has to work with based on margin
constraints. The graphic isn't anchored to a page or any other finite
physical position, it's anchored to text in the flow of the doc. IOW, the
specific "place" you are wanting to see you are seeing - it is the first
line of the para adjacent to the anchor - *wherever* that para happens to be
at the time.

DTP apps, OTOH, are designed on the basis of physical pages, so you *can*
anchor something to a specific spot on a specific page. That's also why you
have features such as Pasteboards & master Pages.

If you are going to be dealing with graphics in Word to any extent you may
want to take a look at some additional information:

http://word.mvps.org/Mac/PagesInWord.html

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/DrawingGraphics.htm

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

So, from your answer, it appears you can only see where the anchor is, but
not "see" the specific place where it is attached.

I too prefer Quark and Framemaker and use them wherever I can. In
Framemaker, by gosh you put a graphic in an anchored frame and it will
NEVER
stray, regardless of how many pages you precede it with, reflowing text
and
graphics. (Which is what prompted me to ask the "where exactly is the
anchor
linked" in the 1st place. In Framemaker, you can see this.)

My dilemma is, I must use the tool I am given. For proposals, it's Word.
And
I was, well... hopeful.

Peace

Hi cayce -

Thanks for the reply. Here are some comments on your response:

My mixed results were that sometimes I would move an anchor and the
outline
number in the heading would still not display in the TOC as it should.
I
would some times need to move the anchor a second time to get the
outline
number to appear properly in the TOC. (I learned from this Word forum
that
my
outline numbered headings not always displaying in the TOC were caused
by
the
graphic anchor.)

I seem to recall something about this and it is perhaps a glitch or bug
causing the erratic behavior you describe. I've not had to contend with
it
myself because I seldom use graphics in Word any more - I prefer
QuarkXpress
or InDesign when graphics are involved - and when I *do* use graphics in
Word I *never* anchor them to a Heading para... perhaps that's why

You mention it typically appears next to the 1st line of the paragraph
it
is
attached to. But, it also can be moved on the page to another
paragraph.
So,
if you decide to cut the paragraph the anchor is actually attached to,
you
won't find this out until after you choose cut.

My point is, does Word have a way to clue you in as to the specific
place
where the anchor "lives." If Word does provide a way to see this, how
can
I
determine this.

When Show/Hide ¶ is on, clicking the graphic will cause its anchor to
display. Then you can reposition it if necessary. Alternatively, if you
want
to display the anchors without having the other non-printing characters
displayed, go to Tools>Options>View - Page and Web Layout & check the box
for Object Anchors. (You'll still have to select the graphic of concern
to
reveal its anchor - the feature doesn't cause them all to just show up &
stay displayed - but you don't need Show/Hide turned on.)

I hope this makes sense.

Graphics in a Word processing document doesn't make sense in the first
place, why should the manner in which they are handled be any more
sensible
?

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

:

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but the anchor icon sits adjacent to
the
first line of the para to which the graphic is anchored. What
sometimes
causes confusion is that the graphic *need not* be anywhere near that
same
para - it just has to be on the same 'page'.

As to the first point in your second para, I can't envision what you
mean
as
the anchors are simply non-printing characters like any other
formatting
markers & don't influence text flow at all - text flow influences
them.
Their position in the margin indicates the para the graphic is
currently
anchored to.

Secondly, can you be more specific about "mixed results" - What *did*
happen
as opposed to what you *expected* to happen? Dragging an anchor away
from
any para should be no problem as long as the Lock Anchor feature isn't
turned on and there is another para to drag it to... if there's no
para
on
the page at the spot where you 'drop' it, it usually will jump to the
1st
para on the page, the para nearest to where you drop it, or [rarely]
to
another page where it can find a para to attach itself to.

--
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I do have anchors displayed since I always keep the show/hide button
active.
What I am trying to find out is if there is a way to identify the
exact
place
where the anchor is attached. Is it a word, character, paragraph
mark,
what?
And, is there a way through a view setting or other option to know
which
specific word, character, or paragraph mark is connected to the
anchor.
I
can
see where the anchor sits in the left margin, but cannot ID to its
exact
linkage.

For instance, I know that anchors can interfere with numbered
headings
appearing in the TOC because their position can "bump" into the
number's
display in the TOC. I have also had some mixed results with dragging
an
unlocked anchor away from the heading. If I could tell exactly where
the
anchor links to the text, I would find this useful.

:

Is there a way to determine EXACTLY what piece of text a floating
graphic
is
anchored to? It would help knowing this when text is reflowed.