Looking to sources on Tabbed Dialog on Access forms

[Herb Martin]

I am looking to sources on Tabbed Dialog on Access forms -- the help is less
than

informative and the behavior seems far from intuitive.



Websites or books or whatever you can recommend....(or tips you wish to
post.)


Thanks,

 

[Brendan Reynolds]

I am looking to sources on Tabbed Dialog on Access forms -- the help is
less than
informative and the behavior seems far from intuitive.

Websites or books or whatever you can recommend....(or tips you wish to
post.)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'Tabbed Dialog', Herb. If you mean the tab
control, here's a search result you might find useful ...

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?&q=access+tab+control

 

[Herb Martin]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'Tabbed Dialog', Herb. If you mean the tab
control, here's a search result you might find useful ...

Doesn't the "Tabbed control" create a TabbedDialog?

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?&q=access+tab+control

I will try that, but since I have been searching myself it's unlikely to
be that useful unless there are specific references you recommend there.

The documentation for this Tab Contrl to create TabbedDialogs seems very
sparse.

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,
others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

I haven't found that trick yet so I am still at the mercy of whatever
"mode" the think it in -- usually to duplicate the field on every tab.

[The "surprise factor" with this is quite high.]

 

[tina]

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,

others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

actually that behavior is completely predictable, in my experience, and
depends entirely on how you add a control to the form. for step-by-step
instructions on how to get the result you want, go to
http://home.att.net/~california.db/instructions.html and click the
TabPageControls link.

and btw, something elsewhere in this thread made me wonder if you've turned
OFF the Name Autocorrect option in your database. if not, recommend you do
so; see the NameAutoCorrect link on the same webpage listed above.

hth

I'm not sure what you mean by 'Tabbed Dialog', Herb. If you mean the tab
control, here's a search result you might find useful ...

Doesn't the "Tabbed control" create a TabbedDialog?

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?&q=access+tab+control

I will try that, but since I have been searching myself it's unlikely to
be that useful unless there are specific references you recommend there.

The documentation for this Tab Contrl to create TabbedDialogs seems very
sparse.

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,
others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

I haven't found that trick yet so I am still at the mercy of whatever
"mode" the think it in -- usually to duplicate the field on every tab.

[The "surprise factor" with this is quite high.]

 

[Brendan Reynolds]

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,
others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

<snip>

Ah, the drag-and-drop thing. See the article at the URL below, specifically
the two subtopics labeled 'Adding a bound control to a tab' and 'Adding tabs
to an existing form'.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA012300491033.aspx

 

[Herb Martin]

actually that behavior is completely predictable, in my experience, and
depends entirely on how you add a control to the form. for step-by-step
instructions on how to get the result you want, go to
http://home.att.net/~california.db/instructions.html and click the
TabPageControls link.

Thanks -- will try.

and btw, something elsewhere in this thread made me wonder if you've
turned
OFF the Name Autocorrect option in your database.

No, I probably didn't (working with someone else so will have to check
for certain.) [It was indeed on.]

if not, recommend you do
so; see the NameAutoCorrect link on the same webpage listed above.

Ok, I will read why that is a good option to adjust, thanks.

[Reading: The article doesn't seem to explain "why" in the PDF file.]

It seems that my problem has disappeared (or become less frequent) after
re-starting Access.

Some sort of state dependent bug likely.

That site has gone to some trouble to make it difficult to download the
PDFs (making them PDFs is itself a likely unnecessary complication).

One thing that I did discover which helped the most was that searching
for "Tabbed dialog" is NOT as effective as searching for "Tab control"
for these issues.

Something a naive person "getting started" would not know as the whole
point is to create a "tabbed dialog" by using the tab control.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

I am looking to sources on Tabbed Dialog on Access forms -- the help is
less than
informative and the behavior seems far from intuitive.

Websites or books or whatever you can recommend....(or tips you wish
to
post.)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'Tabbed Dialog', Herb. If you mean the
tab
control, here's a search result you might find useful ...

Doesn't the "Tabbed control" create a TabbedDialog?

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?&q=access+tab+control

I will try that, but since I have been searching myself it's unlikely to
be that useful unless there are specific references you recommend there.

The documentation for this Tab Contrl to create TabbedDialogs seems very
sparse.

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,
others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

I haven't found that trick yet so I am still at the mercy of whatever
"mode" the think it in -- usually to duplicate the field on every tab.

[The "surprise factor" with this is quite high.]

 

[George Nicholson]

One thing that I did discover which helped the most was that searching

for "Tabbed dialog" is NOT as effective as searching for "Tab control"
for these issues.

Something a naive person "getting started" would not know as the whole
point is to create a "tabbed dialog" by using the tab control.

Actually, I'm a little curious as to where you picked up the term "tabbed
dialog". I am far from a novice and I think this is the first time I've
heard it.

actually that behavior is completely predictable, in my experience, and
depends entirely on how you add a control to the form. for step-by-step
instructions on how to get the result you want, go to
http://home.att.net/~california.db/instructions.html and click the
TabPageControls link.

Thanks -- will try.

and btw, something elsewhere in this thread made me wonder if you've
turned
OFF the Name Autocorrect option in your database.

No, I probably didn't (working with someone else so will have to check
for certain.) [It was indeed on.]

if not, recommend you do
so; see the NameAutoCorrect link on the same webpage listed above.

Ok, I will read why that is a good option to adjust, thanks.

[Reading: The article doesn't seem to explain "why" in the PDF file.]

It seems that my problem has disappeared (or become less frequent) after
re-starting Access.

Some sort of state dependent bug likely.

That site has gone to some trouble to make it difficult to download the
PDFs (making them PDFs is itself a likely unnecessary complication).

One thing that I did discover which helped the most was that searching
for "Tabbed dialog" is NOT as effective as searching for "Tab control"
for these issues.

Something a naive person "getting started" would not know as the whole
point is to create a "tabbed dialog" by using the tab control.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

I am looking to sources on Tabbed Dialog on Access forms -- the help
is
less than
informative and the behavior seems far from intuitive.

Websites or books or whatever you can recommend....(or tips you wish
to
post.)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'Tabbed Dialog', Herb. If you mean the
tab
control, here's a search result you might find useful ...

Doesn't the "Tabbed control" create a TabbedDialog?

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?&q=access+tab+control

I will try that, but since I have been searching myself it's unlikely to
be that useful unless there are specific references you recommend there.

The documentation for this Tab Contrl to create TabbedDialogs seems very
sparse.

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,
others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

I haven't found that trick yet so I am still at the mercy of whatever
"mode" the think it in -- usually to duplicate the field on every tab.

[The "surprise factor" with this is quite high.]

 

[Herb Martin]

Actually, I'm a little curious as to where you picked up the term "tabbed
dialog". I am far from a novice and I think this is the first time I've
heard it.

It is the general term for such dialog boxes as the "tab control" helps you
create or emulate.

I am an experienced programmer but just getting started with Access after
a long time away.

This was likely the BIGGEST thing I had to notice -- once I realized that
Access (and/or VBA) implements this as a "tab control" and generally
articles and help will discuss it using this phrase.

Googling for [ "tabbed dialog" "Access 2003" ] is almost worthless,
but searching for [ "tab control" "Access 2003" ] is much more productive.


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,
others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

actually that behavior is completely predictable, in my experience, and
depends entirely on how you add a control to the form. for step-by-step
instructions on how to get the result you want, go to
http://home.att.net/~california.db/instructions.html and click the
TabPageControls link.

Thanks -- will try.

and btw, something elsewhere in this thread made me wonder if you've
turned
OFF the Name Autocorrect option in your database.

No, I probably didn't (working with someone else so will have to check
for certain.) [It was indeed on.]

if not, recommend you do
so; see the NameAutoCorrect link on the same webpage listed above.

Ok, I will read why that is a good option to adjust, thanks.

[Reading: The article doesn't seem to explain "why" in the PDF file.]

It seems that my problem has disappeared (or become less frequent) after
re-starting Access.

Some sort of state dependent bug likely.

That site has gone to some trouble to make it difficult to download the
PDFs (making them PDFs is itself a likely unnecessary complication).

One thing that I did discover which helped the most was that searching
for "Tabbed dialog" is NOT as effective as searching for "Tab control"
for these issues.

Something a naive person "getting started" would not know as the whole
point is to create a "tabbed dialog" by using the tab control.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
(phone on web site)

message
I am looking to sources on Tabbed Dialog on Access forms -- the help
is
less than
informative and the behavior seems far from intuitive.

Websites or books or whatever you can recommend....(or tips you wish
to
post.)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'Tabbed Dialog', Herb. If you mean the
tab
control, here's a search result you might find useful ...

Doesn't the "Tabbed control" create a TabbedDialog?

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?&q=access+tab+control

I will try that, but since I have been searching myself it's unlikely
to
be that useful unless there are specific references you recommend
there.

The documentation for this Tab Contrl to create TabbedDialogs seems
very
sparse.

Some Controls automatically show up on multiple Tabs in the Dialog,
others do not.

Surely this means there is some property on the Controls or on the
Forms that cause a Control to show up on Tab1 and Tab2 or just
the tab where it was created/dropped originally.

I haven't found that trick yet so I am still at the mercy of whatever
"mode" the think it in -- usually to duplicate the field on every tab.

[The "surprise factor" with this is quite high.]

 

[Brendan Reynolds]

It is the general term for such dialog boxes as the "tab control" helps
you
create or emulate.

<snip>

Well ...

I tend to think of a dialog box as just one type of form. I do not think of
a data entry form, for example, as a dialog box. And a tab control can be
used on any type of form, not just a dialog box. Also a tab control can form
just one part of a form, other controls may be used on the form outside of
the tab control. So even when creating a form to be used as a dialog box, I
tend to think of the tab control as just one component of the form, not as
something that necessarily defines the form.

I do have some vague memories of seeing the term 'tabbed dialog' used in
articles, but it was a long time ago.

 

[Herb Martin]

<snip>

Well ...

I tend to think of a dialog box as just one type of form. I do not think
of a data entry form, for example, as a dialog box. And a tab control can
be used on any type of form, not just a dialog box. Also a tab control can
form just one part of a form, other controls may be used on the form
outside of the tab control. So even when creating a form to be used as a
dialog box, I tend to think of the tab control as just one component of
the form, not as something that necessarily defines the form.

It is likely your Access centric experience vs. my general Windows
experience;
Access forcuses on "forms" and Windows development generally refers to and
discusses dialogs and windows.

I agree that it is interesting that the tab control works within a larger
form (aka
dialog) and might only be a small portion of the whole form.

Remember, I am in this "GettingStarted" news group because I have almost
no Access experience (and certainly none recently.)

I do have some vague memories of seeing the term 'tabbed dialog' used in
articles, but it was a long time ago.

It was the original name for the whole idea when doing Windows programming.

Thanks.

Had I not already figured out the terminology difference YOUR message would
have been the one that gave me the KEY, maybe simply do to your curiousity
at the reason for my using the "wrong" term (or at least an unfamiliar one.)

Once I found that the Access (or VBA) world calls this the "tab control" I
found
a LOT of help on the subject which just wasn't showing up by searching for
"tabbed dialog".

 

[missinglinq via AccessMonster.com]

"Googling for [ "tabbed dialog" "Access 2003" ] is almost worthless"

Of course it's "almost worthless," there's no such thing in Access! You can't
simply throw terms out that you've made up out of whole cloth and expect
sensible answers from anyone. Stating that "It is the general term for such
dialog boxes as the "tab control" helps you create or emulate" doesn't make
it so! Tab Controls don't "help you create or emulate" dialog boxes! If you
plan on developing apps in Access, you should start by learning the names of
the basic objects. If you were holding a conversation in English you couldn't
reasonably expect to speak every fifth word in Urdu and expect to be
understood.

 

[Herb Martin]

"Googling for [ "tabbed dialog" "Access 2003" ] is almost worthless"

Of course it's "almost worthless," there's no such thing in Access! You
can't
simply throw terms out that you've made up out of whole cloth and expect
sensible answers from anyone.

Well, it wasn't made up out of whole cloth: "Tabbed Dialogs" are the
original
term for the idea involved here -- just like I am not familiar with Access
you
are apparently unfamiliar with Windows programming using other languages.

And it was almost a week before anyone pointed that out (you were the
second)
in a group called "Getting Started" -- I did appreciate it when Brenda and
George
mentioned the Access specific term.

Stating that "It is the general term for such
dialog boxes as the "tab control" helps you create or emulate" doesn't
make
it so! Tab Controls don't "help you create or emulate" dialog boxes! If
you
plan on developing apps in Access, you should start by learning the names
of
the basic objects.

If you wish to help people who are getting started (presumably you don't
just want to criticize) then simply point this out -- but you might read the
thread and see if your criticisms are already irrelevant also.

If you were holding a conversation in English you couldn't
reasonably expect to speak every fifth word in Urdu and expect to be
understood.

About like a Parisian who despises everyone who can't speak French
with the proper Paris accent.

Your tyro post is too little too late however.

You aren't real smart but you do like others to think you are, right?

You can't really bother or hurt me since I have a lot of experience with
asking for and giving (useful) help but your attitude is just rude if you
unleash it on true newbies who are just hoping someone will offer them
some useful help.

You are about as rude as any poster I have read recently on any of the
MS newsgroups -- more like what one expects from the flame warriors
on Alt.newsgroups.

Next time try being HELPFUL instead of just rude.

 

[Brendan Reynolds]

in a group called "Getting Started" -- I did appreciate it when Brenda and
George
mentioned the Access specific term.

<snip>

Thanks for the promotion to the better half of the human species, but I'm
afraid I don't actually qualify!

 

[Herb Martin]

<snip>

Thanks for the promotion to the better half of the human species, but I'm
afraid I don't actually qualify!

Well *you* qualify as "Helpful" in my book. So does George.

Generally, though I see much higher standards of help in most other
Microsoft news groups. This is NOT however a complaint since most
everyone is posting without compensation and from an honest desire
to be both helpful and learn themselves.

Of couse, this is alway based on my limited exposure here (in Access
groups) over the last couple of weeks.

This actually makes sense though, but people might be offended if I
described the sociological and professional factors that explain it. <grin>

Generally, I find that one of the most important things we can do to help
the "newbie" (this includes ME here) is to straighten out his/her misuse
of the terminology first, then clarify his/her misunderstandings of the
technical
details, and finally explain HOW to go about learning and troubleshooting
such problems for one's self.

All before and in additional to answering the actual question that was
asked.

Many times "newbie" questions are really simply naive misunderstandings of
the terminology or system architecture.

The harder problems are those where the naive poster doesn't actually
underestand
troubleshooting or debugging technques and principles.

 

[Brendan Reynolds]

Well *you* qualify as "Helpful" in my book. So does George.

<snip>

Thanks again, Herb, but that's not what I meant. Perhaps the <----- will
help ...