Where is the normal template in Word 2008?

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Mauricio

This may be a stupid question, but I cannot find it for the life of me. I want to replace it with my own custom template.

While we are on it, would the custom template be called normal.dotx, or should I remove the extension as with the excel "Workbook" template?

Thanks.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

It's not a good idea to replace it with your own custom template. The
Normal that Word creates has some special properties. Better to open up
the Word-created Normal template and make changes to it.

Anyhow, it's here:
username/Library/Application Support/Microsoft/Office/User
Templates/Normal.dotm
 
M

Mauricio

Thanks. But how exactly is "opening up the Word-created normal template and making changes to it" different from opening up word, making the changes I want in a blank document, and saving it as a template in place of the normal one? Am I missing something?
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Whatever Word does when it creates a Normal, it's different from what
happens when you Save As Template. For one thing, documents created from
a Save As Normal Template don't contain the built-in AutoText entries
(have not retested that in 2008, but it's been the behavior for years).
The second thing is that I'm superstitious--Normal is the fundamental
building block of Word and trying to sub in a weak copy of Normal
strikes me as undesirable, considering the alternate route is no more
difficult. Why mess with it?

That said, as long as you remember you did it, you're probably okay
until/unless you start seeing issues.

By the way, don't put text in the Normal template, it'll mess up Labels
and Envelopes.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

You don't. You open the normal template and change it.

Sorry, By Save As Normal Template, I just meant the process of saving it
as a template that you name Normal and put in the location where Word
looks for a normal template (Normal.dotm, in Word 2008)
 
J

John McGhie

Just to be clear on this: If you save a blank document, what you are saving
is NOT a template.

A Template has a different internal file structure to a document.

A Word file is a large set of containers, nested within each other. Many of
those containers are not present in a document: for example ‹ AutoText, VBA,
Toolbars, Keystroke Customisations, etc, etc...

That's not serious if you do not mind wiping out all the standard components
of a Normal template (and there are times when you might want to do
that...).

But I would not do this as a Normal template: there would be quite a bit
missing :)

Cheers


Thanks. But how exactly is "opening up the Word-created normal template and
making changes to it" different from opening up word, making the changes I
want in a blank document, and saving it as a template in place of the normal
one? Am I missing something?

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M

Mauricio

This is getting more and more confusing with each reply.

In every version of word so far, when I created a blank document, made changes in default fonts, margins and spacing, saved it choosing the option "as template (.dot)" from the dropdown menu in the "save as" dialogue, and named it "Normal.dot", I created a Normal template. That went into the template folder, and a new document was created in its image, according to its likeness, every time I launched Word.

I am assuming I can do exactly the same (except for the .dotm extension) in Word 2008. Yes or no?
 
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Daiya Mitchell

You can, yes, except that you need to tweak the extension *and* the
location for Word 2008, as noted earlier.

What we are trying to make clear is that while you can do it, it's not a
great idea, because Word uses Normal for a lot of things and might choke
on your fake Normal at some point. You should recognize that doing this
is *not* the same thing as letting Word create a Normal template. If it
hasn't caused you problems in the past, then you probably don't need to
worry, but my own preference is not to risk it. And there is no point in
risking it, because I can open up the existing Normal.dotm, change the
font, margins, and spacing, and save it, and get the same result as
saving my own Normal.dotm.
 
M

Mauricio

Well, we are getting somewhere.

Now, how do I exactly "let Word create a normal template" that has the fonts, spacing and margins I want?
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

Now, how do I exactly "let Word create a normal template" that has the
fonts, spacing and margins I want?
If you had previous attempts at saving a Normal that you created, quit
Word and move them to the desktop so Word can't find them.

Launch Word.

Go to Format Font, select a Font, and click Default. Word may ask you to
confirm some things as you do this, go ahead.

Go to Format Document, set the margins, and click Default.

Spacing is slightly trickier. First, select Format | Style. Normal
should be selected already. Then click on Modify--make sure "add to
template" is CHECKED. You'll see a Format menu in the bottom of the
dialog--select Paragraph from it, and set the Line or Paragraph spacing
as you desire.

Hmm, no need to open Normal at all.

But if you still feel the need to manually change other things, first
quit Word, so that your changes get saved in Normal. Then use File |
Open to open [username]/Library/Application
Support/Microsoft/Office/User Templates/Normal.dotm and make your changes.
 
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Phillip Jones

There is a way to add the Font you want to use.

open a blank document. choose the font you want Word to open with.

Type some letters, a word or sentence. now hit Delete until everything
you typed is gone.

Now save the document and name as Dummy. Now quit word.

It should ask do you want to save changes to Normal. choose (to dos so) yes.

locate dummy document and throw away and empty Trash.

Now when you open Word it will open with your desired Font.

my favorite is ITC Benguiat for writing documents. Helvetica or even
Ariel is boring and hard on the eyes.

Daiya said:
Whatever Word does when it creates a Normal, it's different from what
happens when you Save As Template. For one thing, documents created from
a Save As Normal Template don't contain the built-in AutoText entries
(have not retested that in 2008, but it's been the behavior for years).
The second thing is that I'm superstitious--Normal is the fundamental
building block of Word and trying to sub in a weak copy of Normal
strikes me as undesirable, considering the alternate route is no more
difficult. Why mess with it?

That said, as long as you remember you did it, you're probably okay
until/unless you start seeing issues.

By the way, don't put text in the Normal template, it'll mess up Labels
and Envelopes.

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Daiya Mitchell

Phillip, it is far easier to use the Format | Font dialog and select
Default after choosing a font.

And I'm pretty sure that what you said here will not work anyhow.
 
M

Mauricio

OK - I figured out where the problem lies.

Word AUTOMATICALLY saves any changes you make in the current document to the Normal template.

In the preferences, you can set it to ask whether you want this done or not.

There is no way to tell Word to never save changes to the normal template.

In the standard configuration, any new documents you create will look like the last you worked on before quitting Word in the previous session. If you want to keep the Normal template unaltered, you need to check the box "prompt before saving changes to the normal template" and select "no" every time. One annoying extra step - feedback going Microsoft's way.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Hi Mauricio,

Now I'm entirely confused.
OK - I figured out where the problem lies.

Uh, what *is* the problem? Last I heard, I'd given you precise
directions to do what you wanted. Where did a problem arise?
Word AUTOMATICALLY saves any changes you make in the current document
to the Normal template.

No, it doesn't. Period. (Phillip sorta said that, but he was wrong.) The
Normal template should automatically pick up the window size and view
from a regular document, but not much else. How are you defining "look
like"? Look like in terms of window size and view, yes--in terms of
font, spacing, margins: not unless you told it to by clicking Default.
In the standard configuration, any new documents you create will look
like the last you worked on before quitting Word in the previous
session. If you want to keep the Normal template unaltered, you need
to check the box "prompt before saving changes to the normal template"
and select "no" every time. One annoying extra step - feedback going
Microsoft's way.

Why would you want to keep the Normal template unaltered? You should
customize it as much as you want.
 
M

Mauricio

ONCE I make my changes, I want to keep the Normal template unaltered. What's strange with that? I do not want it picking up every little change from every document I work on.

I am copying from Word's preferences panel, "save" subpanel, prompt to save normal template" cehckbox:

"Displays a message every time you quit Word that asks if you want to save any changes made to the default settings, SUCH AS THE FONTS OR THE MARGINS. When the checkbox is cleared, WORD AUTOMATICALLY SAVES YOUR NORMAL TEMPLATE WITHOUT ASKING YOU FIRST."

That is completely at odds with what you are saying. However, it doesn't seem to work as advertised. So either you are wrong (but my installation is not working), or the description of this preference inside Word is wrong.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Hi Mauricio,

You are misreading the preference description. When you click "Default"
in a dialog, then yes, the change is sent to Normal. That's what Default
means--"I want this to be the default setting". But you can change the
Font or Margins without clicking default, and if you don't click
Default, Normal is unaltered, and the preference does not apply, because
you did not change the default settings.

So, yes, *if* you have changed your Normal template, Word will
automatically save it with the changes, unless that box is checked.

But, most things that you do in a document will NOT change the Normal
template. You can make about 80 million changes in your document, and
none of them will affect Normal unless you specifically told them do,
and it's always a separate step to make that happen. It will *not* pick
up every little change you make in every document.

HOWEVER, the window size, zoom, which toolbars are showing, and whether
you are using draft or normal view are a special case. They *do*
automatically persist when you open another document. Word automatically
remembers the last ones when you create a new document--but these are
the *only* settings that automatically change the next document without
you doing something on purpose.

Usually, this is a feature, as if you created a document, and then
immediately have to resize it or change the view to draft because that's
what you like, you'd rather have that happen automatically on the next
document than have to keep re-doing it again or go out of your way to
make that be the default. But there are times when it might be annoying
(and actually, with Notebook Layout and Publishing View, it's getting
more annoying). It should fix itself though--let's say for some reason
you had a document open in Draft View, got annoyed when the second
document was created in Draft view, reset it to Page Layout view, and
then the third document should open in Page Layout view.

But Word is working as designed (although, you've showed me that the
design ought to be fixed).

That said, there's nothing wrong with checking the "prompt to save
Normal" box. In my test, though, it doesn't prevent the next document
from picking up the view, zoom, or size of the last window anyhow. I
think because these are not actually changes to Normal itself, but
settings that Word remembers somewhere else.

Daiya
 
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Daiya Mitchell

No problem, you're welcome. Now that you've pointed it out to me, it
really is confusing behavior. Hope you are sorted out--for the moment,
anyhow.
 
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Phillip Jones

I don't know for sure it would work on 2008

I know for a fact it does work on 2004

since your saving as a dummy document you just type something save then
quit and delete the dummy document.

What the OP wanted is a way to make a blank document open with your
selected Font and not word's choice.

The procedure worked for me unless I had a problem come up with the
normal. In which case if I threw away to fix a problem my changes would
be gone but doing as I said I could once again bring back my preferences.

Daiya said:
Phillip, it is far easier to use the Format | Font dialog and select
Default after choosing a font.

And I'm pretty sure that what you said here will not work anyhow.

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